tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post2813545995048637921..comments2024-03-17T16:21:14.907-05:00Comments on Stop Baptist Predators: During a Southern Baptist ConventionChrista Brownhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04560409585720043015noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-70749833173110781852010-08-04T05:06:58.453-05:002010-08-04T05:06:58.453-05:00The Denton paper ran 2 articles and he is still to...The Denton paper ran 2 articles and he is still to my knowledge the head pastor of this Baptist Church. When I asked who in the church heard all of the tape they acted like they did not know what I was talking about. I wonder how much do they really know. Have they read his deposition my deposition or listen to the tape or read the transcript from the tape.<br /><br />I am nobody but there are too many lives hurt by men like him and rules need to be in place to help protect other young lives. We need a database to track people who abuse children so they are not allowed back in a position to hurt more young lives.<br /><br />By the way this man, who says he is a man of God, put a gun to my head when I was 15<br /><br />He raped me many times and is the father of my child <br /><br />On page 133 of Amyx deposition he states "Well, I regretted it. I had gotten her pregnant. She was a teenager, young woman."<br /><br />He continued to abuse me for many years so I tend to doubt he regretted anything too much or he would have stopped. By the way he was sent to therapy when they found about my pregnancy - which he continued to abuse during and after that therapy. Again he went to therapy when I got a lawyer. So when he told me that he had the best job as he could do whatever he wanted and then confess and they would have to forgive him, appears to be true as other than therapy and some money he has the same position. What he paid did not even cover all of my medical by the way. When I asked his church to get him out of the ministry and to do background screens before putting anyone else in that position this was the response I received. " I cannot advise my client to agree to the non-monetary condition in your offer. "<br /><br />I have many documents to back up what I am saying<br /><br />I know too many people who are victims of abuse and so it is not just me<br /><br />I spent my money - to go to the SBC Executive Committee to try to get them to start a database in June 2008. I flew from Texas to Indianapolis by myself to a strange city and state to talk to these men who I already had negative dealings trying to get them to take steps to protect children. If I had known that this was just for show, I would not of spent so much money to go to talk to them ( I have proof of this stuff too ) I have problems trusting so I tend to keep evidence and documents. I guess when a minister rapes you and says no one would believe you - you tend to want to have proof at hand.<br /><br />People need to speak up and get these leaders to take active steps to address this issue of ministers who abuse and rape children and just go church to church.<br /><br />Thanks to Christa and others who have tried to bring this issue to light<br /><br />Thanks for listening<br />Debbie VAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-45230850348366656812010-06-24T06:14:04.242-05:002010-06-24T06:14:04.242-05:00"Can I use any material you might have writte...<i>"Can I use any material you might have written on the subject?"</i><br /><br />Yes, and thanks for wanting to spread the word about the extent of this problem among Baptists. If you use material written by me, please give attribution to either my name or to Stop Baptist Predators. Thank you. <br /><br />A couple years ago, I myself wrote several pieces for OpEd News. (If you search my author name, you'll probably still be able to find them.) OpEd News is a valuable resource for getting information out that often doesn't see much light in mainstream media.Christa Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04560409585720043015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-27075464415669367632010-06-23T23:40:44.842-05:002010-06-23T23:40:44.842-05:00Christa:
THANK YOU!!! Your input is golden! I rea...Christa:<br /><br />THANK YOU!!! Your input is golden! I really want to do an article to submit to OpEdNews (which publishes most of my blog articles, but gets a thousand times more exposure). I'll use the sources you've given me. However, can I use any material you might have written on the subject? I think this information really needs a BIG audience!<br /><br />Another thing: there are probably a number of reasons why men and women have not come out as far as abuse: the shame (and, in some cases, the guilt) and the family belonging to the church, etc. But couldn't there be an organization that would provide support as well as legal services? Although I can't do it, someone should!<br /><br />Just saying...<br />Thanks again,<br /><br />Dan Vojir<br />dan-vojir@sbcglobal.netAnonymoushttp://thedevilanddanvojir.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-41765727359382688062010-06-23T21:25:12.837-05:002010-06-23T21:25:12.837-05:00"Does your book cite any numbers or even appr...<i>"Does your book cite any numbers or even approximations?"</i><br /><br />Outside of the Catholic context, numbers are very hard to come by. Catholic canon law requires record-keeping on priests. Essentially, it's part of their religion. And their records have repeatedly come back to bite them -- big time and rightfully so. But unlike Catholics, the largest Protestant denomination in the land - Southern Baptists - don't even bother with any sort of denominational record-keeping on clergy abuse allegations or on credibly-accused clergy. Basically, Baptists claim their LACK of record-keeping is dictated by their religion. But of course, no data doesn't mean no problem.<br /><br />So, for the most part, what the public winds up seeing on Baptist clergy abuse are those cases that involve criminal prosecution (which are the bare tip of the iceberg), while in the Catholic context, there is much more media coverage of what essentially amount to news about administrative types of review (i.e., ecclesiastical review processes) and of the records on priests that derive from those sorts of review processes. <br /><br />Bottom line: there is no really good comparative data because Baptists make sure the data doesn't exist.<br /><br />Nevertheless, the Associated Press gleaned some data from the major insurance companies that insure Protestant churches. That data showed that Protestant churches reported an average of 260 cases per year to their insurance carriers for cases involving sexual abuse of minors. That compares with an average of 228 cases per year of "credible accusations" reported within the Catholic Church. The largest of the Protestant groups that are reflected by the insurance data are Baptists (which is understandable if for no other reason than because Baptists are the biggest).<br /><br />This is not a perfect comparison. Far from it. But I nevertheless find it pretty disturbing. In the Catholic context, if we had data only on those cases that reached the verge of litigation such that they were reported to insurance companies, I can't help but wonder if the 228 per year number would be a lot smaller. By the same token, if we had data from the largest Protestant denomination on mere "credible accusations" (instead of only on those cases that reached the verge of litigation), I can't help but think that the 260 per year number for Protestants would likely be a lot bigger.<br /><br />Some links for the <a href="http://stopbaptistpredators.org/article07/three_insurers_shed_light.html" rel="nofollow">Associated Press article</a> and <a href="http://stopbaptistpredators.org/article07/child_sex_abuse_by_protestant_clergy.html" rel="nofollow">and data</a> and <a href="http://www.ethicsdaily.com/news.php?viewStory=9149" rel="nofollow">analysis </a> (with embedded links to a Catholic priest/FOX commentator's analysis).Christa Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04560409585720043015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-45329574035902873972010-06-23T20:51:50.615-05:002010-06-23T20:51:50.615-05:00Dear Christa:
I just came across your blog (almos...Dear Christa:<br /><br />I just came across your blog (almost by accident). I have a blog on religion and politics (http://thedevilanddanvojir.blogspot.com <br /><br />I have been studying the Christian Right for many years now and have written many articles and blog posts(some with the bent of the LGBT community wrestling with organized religion). <br /><br />I always knew that there was sexual abuse of teenagers outside of the Catholic clergy, but I never knew the extent of it. Does your book cite any numbers or even approximations? I'd really like to know.<br /><br />BTW: Have you seen the latest about Texas? The Republican Platform is so virulently anti-gay, anti-immigration, anti-UN, and pro-corporal punishment in public schools that it boggles the mind. Surely the Southern Baptist convention had something to do with it!<br /><br />Hope to hear from you.<br />Thanks again for a great blog!<br />Dan Vojir<br />dan-vojir@sbcglobal.netDan Vojirhttp://thedevilanddanvojir.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-35540362841523101992010-06-22T10:44:46.325-05:002010-06-22T10:44:46.325-05:00Off Topic:
BECAUSE IT MATTERS ~ FREEDOM FROM ABUS...Off Topic:<br /><br /><a href="http://dannimoss.wordpress.com/2010/06/20/farewell/" rel="nofollow">BECAUSE IT MATTERS ~ FREEDOM FROM ABUSE IN CHRISTIANITY [Danni Moss] > Farewell</a>.<br /><br /><i>From the siblings of Danni Moss:<br /><br />On June 13, 2010, following a prolonged battle with cancer, Danni departed this life and stepped into the presence of the Lord.</i><br /><br /><a href="http://powerscourt.blogspot.com/2010/06/because-it-matters.html" rel="nofollow">SUZANNE'S BOOKSHELF > Because it matters</a>.Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-32735484689946386062010-06-21T23:48:04.034-05:002010-06-21T23:48:04.034-05:00"The pew sitters must be warned..."
Go ...<i>"The pew sitters must be warned..."</i><br /><br />Go tell it to those leaders at the Baptist General Convention of Texas in Dallas. Go tell it to the SBC men in Nashville. The reality: No one in Baptistland gives a hoot.<br /><br />No one gives a hoot about <a href="http://stopbaptistpredators.blogspot.com/2010/05/among-baptists-who-will-give-hoot.html" rel="nofollow">any of these,</a> either... and many more.<br /><br />If Southern Baptists want to find out about the preacher-predators in their midst, then the denomination must provide abuse survivors with a SAFE place to report clergy abuse. That is what most other major faith groups in this country now do (in addition to providing review boards that will more objectively assess reports of abuse). It is flat-out cruel to expect that clergy abuse survivors should have to subject themselves to the meanness, brutishness, and barbarism of what they almost invariably encounter when they try to warn people about a Baptist preacher-predator.<br /><br />Dozens of Baptist abuse survivors have told me that they never imagined anything could be worse than the abuse that was inflicted on them ... until they tried to report it... and only then realized that hell could become even more hellish.Christa Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04560409585720043015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-46828683312141105032010-06-20T10:30:28.530-05:002010-06-20T10:30:28.530-05:00He was sodomized by a man at the convention who is...He was sodomized by a man at the convention who is IN A CHURCH RIGHT NOW AS PASTOR!!!<br /><br />The pew sitters must be warned even if they refuse to believe it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com