tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post3262083713780778827..comments2024-03-17T16:21:14.907-05:00Comments on Stop Baptist Predators: Innocent until proven guilty?Christa Brownhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04560409585720043015noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-72450916357687970472008-12-18T09:14:00.000-06:002008-12-18T09:14:00.000-06:00I would argue that the victims standards are highe...I would argue that the victims standards are higher in all respects both from a practical and legal sense.<BR/><BR/>They instinctively know they will probably not be believed by many people. Especially if their perp is someone respected or carries a title. So many remain silent for years. Many also believe wrongly they did something wrong to cause the abuse. Suffering in shame and silence is their standard.<BR/><BR/>That is why blame the victim games are nothing but more abuse. And those that play them are nothing but cruel.Linhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04723395060585207854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-2949265645246229692008-12-18T05:38:00.000-06:002008-12-18T05:38:00.000-06:00"charm school talk"Christa, the sad thing is that ..."charm school talk"<BR/><BR/>Christa, the sad thing is that the SBC will not listen to this either.<BR/><BR/>You are relying on legalese and psychology and the SBC has the money. Everyone has abandonded old fashion values.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-84268139727454099322008-12-17T15:46:00.000-06:002008-12-17T15:46:00.000-06:00Anon is a fake. He gets off on being so insulting....Anon is a fake. He gets off on being so insulting. If face with a victim or those of us who are trying to make a difference he would slid right back under his rock. Mr. Anon, why not come clean and tell us how you get your jollies by sharing your ignorance with others on this blog?<BR/>It takes a man to stand up for the truth and offer himself to those who need his assistance. What you are doing anything could do. <BR/>If you would like direct commuication with me just request my address after you share yours. I will do letters, phone calls, or even face to face if you really want to try to understand what this effort is all about.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-57778510233243022142008-12-17T14:21:00.000-06:002008-12-17T14:21:00.000-06:00Christa, very good post. Yes, we are called to a h...Christa, very good post. Yes, we are called to a higher standard. But we don't even look like the world in this one aspect. The world handles this stuff much better! That is how bad it is!Linhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04723395060585207854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-84387824762404168642008-12-17T14:09:00.000-06:002008-12-17T14:09:00.000-06:00Well gee whiz, Anon, if you think your charming st...Well gee whiz, Anon, if you think your charming style of talk will get Baptist leaders to listen... and to actually do something... then by all means, take your charm school talk to their doorstep.Christa Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04560409585720043015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-40664062392198883712008-12-17T13:49:00.000-06:002008-12-17T13:49:00.000-06:00Welcome to the 6th grade. This petty bickering do...Welcome to the 6th grade. This petty bickering does nothing but make us have a little insight into why some Baptist leaders won't listen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-48441018375761853702008-12-17T10:47:00.000-06:002008-12-17T10:47:00.000-06:00"I reject intelluctual arrogant rape."That's nothi...<I>"I reject intelluctual arrogant rape."</I><BR/><BR/>That's nothing but a metaphor, Anon. Anyone who had a clue about the reality of rape - and of what it does to a kid - wouldn't make your comparison in this context.<BR/><BR/>So, yes, your remarks are utterly ignorant, Anon. And for you to ask whether "victims" are "excluded from standards" was, on its face, a facetious question. Duh. And for you to then assert indignation when someone challenges you on such a facetious question is just silliness.Christa Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04560409585720043015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-2409759522786054712008-12-17T10:03:00.000-06:002008-12-17T10:03:00.000-06:00This anon 7:58 smells and talks a lot like the ban...This anon 7:58 smells and talks a lot like the banned Charles Page; in fact he used the same phrase a while back and spelled it the same way. Things must be slow on his blog again. <BR/><BR/>Do we in fact have a wolf in sheep's clothing?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-88371774526538028662008-12-17T07:58:00.000-06:002008-12-17T07:58:00.000-06:00Yes, I believe it is about sex.Quick prosecution o...Yes, I believe it is about sex.<BR/>Quick prosecution of the sex offender goes a long way to deter the continuation of this violence.<BR/><BR/>Endless talk about power, control and violence just perpetuates the loathing and perhaps encourages it. The court system is filled with people of power and control issues and so that makes it impossible to objectively deal with violent crimes. <BR/><BR/>In fact we all have power and control issues and so there is a natural tendacy to be sympathetic to the perpetrator. <BR/><BR/>Simply straying from sexual standards should be the beginning of enforcement. But that is so old fashion. One man and one woman in a santified union before God is the basis. The children are taught this in the home. ALL ofenders are disciplined and punished if needed. All this implies an active call to regenerate living in Christ. <BR/><BR/>But all this has been abandoned and intellectuals with too much psychology argue endlessly about power and control and you have out of control violent abuse.<BR/><BR/>Actually my original statement was directed toward John's exercise of power over me by saying my question was stupid. "Stupid" is a power word that weak people use to control others. I reject intelluctual arrogant rape.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-13681288632602938982008-12-16T21:47:00.000-06:002008-12-16T21:47:00.000-06:00Most of the anger that I see in clergy sex abuse s...Most of the anger that I see in clergy sex abuse survivors is anger that they unduly heap onto themselves. There are all sorts of psychological reasons for that, but the manifestation of self-loathing is pretty universal. <BR/><BR/><I>"I have a very sharp knife, just point out your rapist and I will castrate him, no questions asked."</I><BR/><BR/>What good would that do? Who would it help? How would it change anything? How would it make the world safer for church kids in the future? Most clergy abuse survivors that I've encountered are far more occupied with thoughts like these than with the sort of thoughts that your words, Anon, give evidence of. In any event, your words suggest that you think it's a crime about sex. It's not. It's about power, control, and violence.Christa Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04560409585720043015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-75813850396292957352008-12-16T19:14:00.000-06:002008-12-16T19:14:00.000-06:00Yes, victims do have standards to live by;1. It is...Yes, victims do have standards to live by;<BR/><BR/>1. It is standard to not be believed.<BR/>2. It is standard to be told how others think they should handle their "problem". <BR/>3. It is standard to be accused of encouraging the assault.<BR/>4. It is standard to be told to "get over it!"<BR/>5. It is standard to be asked such stupid questions as the one just asked!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-17806190062789887772008-12-16T18:49:00.000-06:002008-12-16T18:49:00.000-06:00Is it possible that sexual victims through their a...Is it possible that sexual victims through their anger can also become bullies. Can victims stir up sympathetic anger toward those not so sympathetic to their cause?<BR/><BR/>Is there a standard for victims to live by or are they excluded from standards?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-83935003101728108442008-12-16T11:43:00.000-06:002008-12-16T11:43:00.000-06:00"...not a bully but gentle"What a blessing it woul...<I>"...not a bully but gentle"</I><BR/><BR/>What a blessing it would be if they would focus a little more on this part! For people trying to report clergy sex abuse, far too many Southern Baptist pastors have been the very personification of "bullies." And of course, they've shown that bullying side for many others as well -- e.g., Sheri Klouda.<BR/><BR/><I>"... not greedy"</I><BR/><BR/>I think <A HREF="http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com/" REL="nofollow">FBC Jax Watchdog</A> would have a thing or two to say about this one.Christa Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04560409585720043015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-13703381828825288032008-12-16T08:43:00.000-06:002008-12-16T08:43:00.000-06:00Interesting stuff.Here's the standard for pastors ...Interesting stuff.<BR/><BR/>Here's the standard for pastors proposed by Paul in First Timothy 2. Unfortunately, the only one you hear much about is "husband of one wife."<BR/><BR/>1] This saying is trustworthy If anyone aspires to be an • overseer, he desires a noble work. <BR/>2 An overseer, therefore, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, self-controlled, sensible, respectable, hospitable, an able teacher not addicted to wine, not a bully but gentle, not quarrelsome, not greedy— <BR/>4 one who manages his own household competently, having his children under control with all dignity. <BR/>5 (If anyone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he take care of God’s church?) <BR/>6 He must not be a new convert, or he might become conceited and fall into the condemnation of the Devil. <BR/>7 Furthermore, he must have a good reputation among outsiders, so that he does not fall into disgrace and the Devil’s trap.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com