tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post5264648957127019338..comments2024-03-17T16:21:14.907-05:00Comments on Stop Baptist Predators: FBC-Jax: "Big Brother meets Big Church"Christa Brownhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04560409585720043015noreply@blogger.comBlogger58125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-49482337780122493772009-05-01T15:19:00.000-05:002009-05-01T15:19:00.000-05:00It is difficult for me to believe that there is ac...It is difficult for me to believe that there is actually someone out there targeting Baptist Churches and predators there. Target the real problem, predators of youngsters, whether they be Baptist, Catholic, or Feet Washing Icons of the Word (my own creation for this comment.) As a heartbroken member of a church recovering from staff indecency, I want punishment, forgiveness, restoration, and whatever it takes to be Christian if you please. Self-righteous indignation does not flatter any of us including the hurt and angry author of this internet site. Bless you. Fight wrong. But, please keep sight of the fact that Christians fight the only wars where we seem to bury our wounded. We need to be aware. We need to stop abuse. We need to hate the sin and bring it to light, yet love the sinner and pray for his/her restoration following appropriate punishment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-52095121196532263142009-04-22T21:33:00.000-05:002009-04-22T21:33:00.000-05:00Trolls have one purpose, and it's not to defend an...Trolls have one purpose, and it's not to defend anything.New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-84415069168715007362009-04-22T04:05:00.000-05:002009-04-22T04:05:00.000-05:00Only if SBC'ers defending their turf with no regar...Only if SBC'ers defending their turf with no regard for truth or honesty are trolls....Jerihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14234147722462126392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-30715664226241504682009-04-21T20:53:00.000-05:002009-04-21T20:53:00.000-05:00I'm just catching up on my reading tonight. Congr...I'm just catching up on my reading tonight. Congratulations. Y'all have been arguing with a <A HREF="http://www.newbbc.accura.net/Troll2.jpg" REL="nofollow">troll</A>!New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-43603038438652057862009-04-20T18:53:00.000-05:002009-04-20T18:53:00.000-05:00This is a great interview. Please listen to it.
M...This is a great interview. Please listen to it.<br /><br /><A HREF="http://mainstreambaptist.blogspot.com/2009/04/podcast-wade-burleson-interview.html" REL="nofollow">Mainstream Baptist > Podcast: Wade Burleson Interview</A>.<br />.<br /><I>Podcast (7MB Mp3) of Dr. Bruce Prescott's 4-19-09 "Religious Talk" radio interview with Rev. Wade Burleson, pastor of Emmanuel Baptist Church in Enid, Oklahoma and author of "Hardball Religion: Feeling the Fury of Fundamentalism." <br /><br />We talk about Burleson's transition from being a trusted foot soldier in the post-1979 Southern Baptist Convention to being a dissident blogger against SBC fundamentalism. His blogging proved so controversial that he became the only Southern Baptist trustee to ever be "recommended for removal or officially censured." Despite that, Burleson and other dissident SBC bloggers were instrumental in electing Frank Page as President of the Southern Baptist Convention in 2006 and 2007.</I>Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-73627068051455128152009-04-20T17:11:00.000-05:002009-04-20T17:11:00.000-05:00Lydia wrote: "That is already the case. They are t...Lydia wrote: "That is already the case. They are temples of entertainment that have become businesses with profitable career paths for certain folks and their families."<br /><br />Very sad and very true.Jerihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14234147722462126392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-34809203504232587152009-04-20T17:08:00.000-05:002009-04-20T17:08:00.000-05:00We hate sin, as we are commanded, and we hate anyt...We hate sin, as we are commanded, and we hate anything that exalts itself against the name of Jesus Christ, and that does, regrettably, include the infrastructure and power brokers of the SBC.<br /><br />You guys are the ones having sex with kids, committing adultery, and using city funded goons to investigate church members. It's certainly not a glowing testimony.Jerihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14234147722462126392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-64060094528912712672009-04-20T13:13:00.000-05:002009-04-20T13:13:00.000-05:00Let's see, you all hate and detest the following:
...Let's see, you all hate and detest the following:<br /><br />Men (of any shape and size)<br />Pastors <br />Southern Baptist Churches<br />Submissive women<br />Paige Patterson<br />Mac Brunson<br />Steve Gaines<br />Any male in authority<br />Any position of authority you do not have.<br /><br />There's not much left for you to hate but a bunch of whining women who love to blog and blame everyone but themselves for the positions in life. <br /><br />What a sad mess.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-77978336539702002512009-04-20T03:37:00.000-05:002009-04-20T03:37:00.000-05:00Hello, I am Psychologist Dr Mayo Hamburgwcheese. I...Hello, I am Psychologist Dr Mayo Hamburgwcheese. I would just like to say that I concur with Dr Anonymous. You ladies have huge problems. Now go get me my slippers and stop worrying about conscience. The Psychology Dept at SBC Headquarters have determined that conscience is no longer necessary as long as you have a male pastor earning 300K a year. Remember, if you are influential, you do not need conscience, especially if you are a woman. It just makes you act looney. That's a psychological term, you know.Dr Mayo Hamburgwcheesenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-32089642178041243622009-04-20T03:31:00.000-05:002009-04-20T03:31:00.000-05:00Anonymous wrote, "I had a psychologist friend read...Anonymous wrote, "I had a psychologist friend read through some of these posts and he was astounded. He said, "I have never seen so many women with authority, anger, and guilt issues in my life."<br /><br />Wow, so you know two psychologists and were able to reaach both of them and get their conclusions in a weekend? <br /><br />You know what I like best about your story? It's so believable. Honest, it really is. I'm sure anybody under the age of 11 would believe you.<br /><br />Hey, when you hang out with your psychologist buddies, do they smoke pipes and look wise? I saw that once in a movie. So is it realistic? <br /><br />In any case, once you wake up from your happy little daydream that all sorts of people with more education than you take your side, try to address the matter from the Bible. We're not arguing psychology here, but the text of Scripture. And the SBC has departed from it.Jerihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14234147722462126392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-67875106064829150262009-04-19T23:10:00.000-05:002009-04-19T23:10:00.000-05:00"The leadership will become mere macromangers of t..."The leadership will become mere macromangers of their assmeblies devoid of the Holy Spirit's power."<br /><br />That is already the case. They are temples of entertainment that have become businesses with profitable career paths for certain folks and their families.<br /><br />The Body of Christ does not operate this way. Those who read scripture and are taught by the Holy Spirit know this. <br /><br />God has left these churches to their own devices and many delude themselves that 'numbers' means blessings when it is simply a sick cult and worshiping of churchianity.Lydiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17367390474045060624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-39619586437283772022009-04-19T23:04:00.000-05:002009-04-19T23:04:00.000-05:00I had a psychologist friend read through some of t...I had a psychologist friend read through some of these posts and he was astounded. He said, "I have never seen so many women with authority, anger, and guilt issues in my life." I knew you would all go nuts over his assessment so I had another lady psychologist review it and she came up with the exact same conclusions. <br /><br />Ladies--you need to get some psychological help and you need to get it quickly. Your scars, guilt, and anger is eating you alive. Quit blaming every preacher that lives and do something about your illnesses.<br /><br />April 19, 2009 8:54 PM<br /><br />So, you like it when little children are sodomized and raped? You think we should look the other way and not 'touch the anointed authority'?<br /><br />I can plainly see that you would in order to protect the 'pastor'. People like you are the reason our churches are not safe for kids.<br /><br />Ask your psychologist 'friend' what to make of a pastor that protects an abuser or a pedophile. But then, I doubt any believes you have a psychologist friend. Unless of course, she is also in a cult.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-41222390294647095182009-04-19T22:58:00.000-05:002009-04-19T22:58:00.000-05:00And you wonder why Paul told women to be silent in...And you wonder why Paul told women to be silent in church?<br /><br />April 18, 2009 7:29 AM<br /><br />Sheesh! The Biblical illiteracy out there is astonishing. Would you mind finding that 'law' Paul refers to for me? I assume you are referring to 1 Corin 14. When you find that 'law', let me know. (It would be a NEW law because women taught and were prophets in the OT)<br /><br />(Hint: It is in the Mishna)<br /><br />Also the word for silence means total silence as in NO singing, small chat at all. YOu think that is what Paul was talking about?<br /><br />Guess what! That is exactly what was taught in the Talmud. (That is why it is quoted as the 'law also says' as in ORAL LAW)<br /><br />Read verse 36 and then do a deep study of the Greek. Not what your 'pastor' says that benefits him but a real study. You will find that verse 36 NEGATES verses 34-35. In the Greek, it goes like this: What??? Are you kidding? Did YOU write the Word of God? Are YOU the only one it reached?<br /><br />It is truly scary what people believe but then it does elevate them over others, doesn't it.Lydiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17367390474045060624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-40631355484330963392009-04-19T22:07:00.000-05:002009-04-19T22:07:00.000-05:00Well... assuming Anon 8:54 is the same Anon as the...Well... assuming Anon 8:54 is the same Anon as the earlier 7:29 one, I guess we females on the blog should be honored that he's now calling us "Ladies" instead of "a bunch of hens." But like he said earlier, I guess he's just having "fun" with us.<br /><br />If Anon actually cared about the need of clergy abuse survivors for psychological help, he would go to work to convince Southern Baptist leaders to do what most Catholic dioceses in this country now do -- offer and pay for independent professional counseling for clergy abuse survivors who come forward. But of course, Baptists are way behind most other major faith groups in terms of showing any actual care for those wounded by clergy sex abuse.<br /><br />Personally, I can't help but wonder whether Anon may have violated some law somewhere. After all, some states have laws against impersonating psychologists.Christa Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04560409585720043015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-51835091706740085482009-04-19T21:42:00.000-05:002009-04-19T21:42:00.000-05:00Yes, psychologists, the ultimate authority on all ...Yes, psychologists, the ultimate authority on all of life. Righto, we'll all run out there to get "help" as quickly as we can trot. Isn't that what people always say when they can't answer your questions? You need help? Now, what was this post about again?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-68202064561821284542009-04-19T20:54:00.000-05:002009-04-19T20:54:00.000-05:00I had a psychologist friend read through some of t...I had a psychologist friend read through some of these posts and he was astounded. He said, "I have never seen so many women with authority, anger, and guilt issues in my life." I knew you would all go nuts over his assessment so I had another lady psychologist review it and she came up with the exact same conclusions. <br /><br />Ladies--you need to get some psychological help and you need to get it quickly. Your scars, guilt, and anger is eating you alive. Quit blaming every preacher that lives and do something about your illnesses.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-42723286745567746922009-04-19T19:38:00.000-05:002009-04-19T19:38:00.000-05:00Vine absolved Dave Hyles as well. These guys are m...Vine absolved Dave Hyles as well. These guys are mini popes.Jerihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14234147722462126392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-32887351907987815482009-04-19T09:13:00.000-05:002009-04-19T09:13:00.000-05:00Good point Jeri. The council heard grievances as w...Good point Jeri. The council heard grievances as whole. No authority is ever given to an elder independent of the Scripture's authority. There is a process of two to three witnesses and then the assembly as a whole. That is why I don't understand Vine's actions of absolvement of Gilyard's sins without this process.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-48694529729186972292009-04-19T07:44:00.000-05:002009-04-19T07:44:00.000-05:00Anonymous wrote, "And you wonder why Paul told wom...Anonymous wrote, "And you wonder why Paul told women to be silent in church?"<br /><br />This isn't church. Again, the SBC addiction to power makes them skew everything. Paul wanted public worship to proceed in orderly fashion, and so the women, who found vast new freedoms in Christianity to be heard and to speak, had to be reigned in when it came to public worship. These were people who previously had lived their lives in the kitchen, except when they went to draw water. Some of them did not even eat with their husbands. That's how badly women were treated. <br /><br />Now they were free, and like newly freed people of little education, they had to learn public civility and good manners.<br /><br />But Paul's statement is not a blanket issues of subservience for women. After all, he COMMANDED the church at Rome to give Phebe whatever she asked for. She was being sent on missions to churches to oversee and give account of distributions to the poor. <br /><br />So the misogyny of the back room boys of the SBC should be shown for exactly what it is: misogynyJerihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14234147722462126392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-20675753698709328102009-04-19T07:36:00.000-05:002009-04-19T07:36:00.000-05:00Annonympus wrote: ".only elders can judge an anoth...Annonympus wrote: ".only elders can judge an another elder. Deacons like these are rather fundamentally wrong...they need to understand the original context meant a "specialized servant" and one appointed by an elder."<br /><br />Time to read the whole New Testament then. The Council at Jerusalem was made up of elders, and they heard grievances in open court from anybody who came. The disobedient and self-serving autonomy of the SBC is NOT the biblical model. In fact, matters in churches were raised to the Council at Jerusalem if the elders in the local churches would not deal with the matter. The problem of Diotrephes was escalated; hence John's decision to go see to the matter himself, after Diotrophes refused to let in elders who would have restored proper government to his self-run autocracy. <br /><br />Christian transactions of church rule are to be carried out openly and transparently. The SBC's closed door meetings and back room deals are just one more product of their wicked, unrepentant hearts that are determined to coerce Christianity into a religion that suits them.Jerihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14234147722462126392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-7650077801044182932009-04-19T00:43:00.000-05:002009-04-19T00:43:00.000-05:00When did Jerry Vines start to go along with the po...When did Jerry Vines start to go along with the popish doctrine of absolvement of sins....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-44041781291387902042009-04-18T22:39:00.000-05:002009-04-18T22:39:00.000-05:00Why I can't read this site too often, I just simpl...Why I can't read this site too often, I just simply lose it. Crista, if the bible warns males their prayers won't be heard in regard to the weaker vessels of their wives I don't see much different in applying this in broader context with pastor. The leadership will become mere macromangers of their assmeblies devoid of the Holy Spirit's power. I saw a book written by Mac on leadership for pastors and I was just floored in knowing his recent lynching techniques.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-55908363039771868152009-04-18T22:29:00.000-05:002009-04-18T22:29:00.000-05:00I had not read this blog in awhile..this is for al...I had not read this blog in awhile..this is for all you deacon so-called fundamentalists (in reading John's entry) you have no authority whatsoever..only elders can judge an another elder. Deacons like these are rather fundamentally wrong...they need to understand the original context meant a "specialized servant" and one appointed by an elder.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-53698497475583928662009-04-18T20:06:00.000-05:002009-04-18T20:06:00.000-05:00For those who want to read more about the anti-bib...For those who want to read more about the anti-biblical basis of Baptists' radicalized notion of local church autonomy -- a notion that negates clergy accountability -- I recommend Jeri Massi's book <I>Schizophrenic Christianity: How Christian Fundamentalism Attracts and Protects Sociopaths, Abusive Pastors, and Child Molesters</I>.Christa Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04560409585720043015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-36468469406196679712009-04-18T19:42:00.000-05:002009-04-18T19:42:00.000-05:00Well... I'm not aware of any place where Paul says...Well... I'm not aware of any place where Paul says anything about all churches being so radically independent and autonomous that Baptist leaders are biblically blessed in turning a blind eye to clergy child molestation and in allowing reported molesting ministers to roam from one congregation to another without even looking into it. But that's what Baptist leaders do... and then they try to tell us that this no-accountability system is biblically sanctioned in the name of "congregational autonomy."<br /><br />Yeah... it's sick.Christa Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04560409585720043015noreply@blogger.com