tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post6337295957963176927..comments2024-03-17T16:21:14.907-05:00Comments on Stop Baptist Predators: Three-legged stoolChrista Brownhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04560409585720043015noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-51450207531532038482008-11-22T23:00:00.000-06:002008-11-22T23:00:00.000-06:00John: Love the imagery! Bar-stools... milk-stools....John: Love the imagery! Bar-stools... milk-stools... toad-stools... toilet-stools. Perfect picture.Christa Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04560409585720043015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-62184920378844453522008-11-22T22:42:00.000-06:002008-11-22T22:42:00.000-06:00Very interesting. "Ethics Daily" link infection on...Very interesting. "Ethics Daily" link infection only shows up in Google Chrome browser. My guess is the tag words are embedded in the web page and not visible in other browsers.<BR/><BR/>I did send an email to info@ethicsdaily.com. But they might disregard my email, if they can not see the infection.<BR/><BR/>If any of you know Bob Allen (if it's the same Bob Allen, the reporter), please talk to him on the phone and ask a professional web developer to check his site for hacker infections.<BR/><BR/>ThanksRameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-60692844144073482852008-11-22T15:10:00.000-06:002008-11-22T15:10:00.000-06:00Stools!Yes I think of stools when I think of relig...Stools!<BR/>Yes I think of stools when I think of religious power brokers. They sit on their bar-stools while they get drunk on their self-percieved power. Then thewy go to their milk-stools to extract more money and resources from the faithful to support their outragious salaries, perks and ideas. Then there is the toad-stool that they fera because it reminds them that in reality they are becoming more and more like a fungas. And lastly there is the tolet-stool where most of their proises to do the right thing on ministerial abuse end up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-52660777875690386072008-11-21T18:57:00.000-06:002008-11-21T18:57:00.000-06:00I think "Ethics Daily" site has been hacked and se...I think "Ethics Daily" site has been hacked and seeded. Check the link Christa suggested and scroll to the bottom.<BR/><BR/>At least, Google did not warn me that site is seeded with malware yet.<BR/><BR/>If any of you know the site owners, you can inform them about this. I have seen other links that go their have been poisoned too.Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-65128437774606873902008-11-21T08:24:00.000-06:002008-11-21T08:24:00.000-06:00Kaye, I was so sorry to read about what you went t...Kaye, I was so sorry to read about what you went through. I know from reading that short account it was MUCH worse because I know how they operate. I, too, was subjected to the same kind of treatment (for another reason) while on staff at a mega church that could have cared less about truth. All they cared about was saving face and no bad media. The intimidation tactics are right out of Orwell.<BR/><BR/>These are NOT churches. Everyone is fooling themselves if they think they are. <BR/><BR/>I am thankful you told the truth and made it public even though you were treated horrible. That is the ONLY thing that might have a chance of protecting others.Linhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04723395060585207854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-85130270849908456312008-11-20T19:59:00.000-06:002008-11-20T19:59:00.000-06:00Kaye: I am ALWAYS so happy to hear from you! You e...Kaye: I am ALWAYS so happy to hear from you! You encourage me, probably more than you realize.<BR/>And I too find it more-than-coincidental that our paths intersected. I grieve for what brought our paths together, and for all the pain that I know has been inflicted on you.<BR/><BR/>Kaye worked at the church of my perpetrator (after he moved from Texas to Georgia to Florida). She made a report of sexual harassment and sexual abuse involving 2 staff ministers at First Baptist Church of Oviedo, Florida. (It's the church of former Florida Baptist Convention president Dwayne Mercer.) One of the ministers she reported for harassment was the same minister who abused me as a kid in Texas. Kaye was treated horribly.<BR/><BR/>You can read the tiniest tip of the iceberg of her story <A HREF="http://www.ethicsdaily.com/article_detail.cfm?AID=8863" REL="nofollow">here</A>.Christa Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04560409585720043015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-426095639276321092008-11-20T10:12:00.000-06:002008-11-20T10:12:00.000-06:00There is another leg...the blogosphere, media and ...There is another leg...the blogosphere, media and word of mouth. We simply must speak out and we must consider those who coddle perverts as dangerous as the pervert!<BR/><BR/>That means I think Patterson is as dangerous as Gilyard and Gaines is as dangerous as Williams.<BR/><BR/>People need to know they are not in a 'real' church when it does not discipline or even deal with perverts.<BR/><BR/>If only they knew scripture. If only they would study 1 John. IF they did, this would scare them from supporting or overlooking such a henious crime.<BR/><BR/>LydiaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-28883005673117157552008-11-20T08:55:00.000-06:002008-11-20T08:55:00.000-06:00Thank you, Christa, for bringing this problem with...Thank you, Christa, for bringing this problem within the SBC churches to light and continuing to shine a light. Without your efforts, all of these cases would have continued to be kept hidden. We need to shine the brightest light we can on this evil within the churches. As one who has personally seen and been traumatized by clergy abuse, coverup, coertion, and persecution, I can never be silent again. My eyes were opened and I have been changed forever by it. Who knew that my path and trauma would intersect with yours in such a personal way because of the same minister. And the other children's minister that traumatized me is still on staff. He has been pulling the wool over the eyes of his senior pastor and fellow ministers for years. If this children's minister did what he did to me to the wife of a staff minister, he would have been gone that day.<BR/><BR/>Kaye MaherAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-91306443541437722902008-11-19T09:16:00.000-06:002008-11-19T09:16:00.000-06:00Anon 11:05 - I suggest you write some letters to o...Anon 11:05 - I suggest you write some letters to officials in statewide Southern Baptist conventions. Ask these questions: To whom may an individual who was sexually abused by a Southern Baptist minister report that minister? Who exactly will actually look into the matter and be accountable for making a responsible assessment? What credentials, experience, training do they have? By what standard will they assess the abuse report? Will someone help the abuse victim track the minister and find out what state and what church he's in now? Will they keep a record of the abuse report? Will they disclose their assessment and warn people in the pews at the man's current church? Will they reach out to try to find other possible victims of the perpetrator and help them? Will they provide independent counseling for the traumatized victim who was nevertheless courageous enough to try to speak up and report the abuse? Where is the data about clergy abuse reports in that state being kept?<BR/><BR/>If you find some statewide Southern Baptist convention that's actually doing these things, please send me the documentation.<BR/><BR/>And of course, mere words aren't enough. Some states may indeed have committees that use the word "ethics" in their title, but without deeds, it's just a word. After all, Richard Land himself carries the important-sounding title of President of the Southern Baptist Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission. But I haven't seen any indication that Richard Land and his "ethics" commission will actually do diddly-squat to help someone who is trying to report clergy sex abuse or to warn people in the pews about credibly-accused clergy-perpetrators.Christa Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04560409585720043015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-9040052754605185712008-11-18T23:05:00.000-06:002008-11-18T23:05:00.000-06:00But there is no ETHICS review board period? I thou...But there is no ETHICS review board period? I thought that at the state level ETHIC boards existed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-62469443583130132202008-11-18T21:49:00.000-06:002008-11-18T21:49:00.000-06:00Why would you set up any kind of base when you jus...Why would you set up any kind of base when you just do not beleieve there is a problem?!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-39925191001463875952008-11-18T12:10:00.000-06:002008-11-18T12:10:00.000-06:00Yea, I actually went to the SBC site and noticed h...Yea, I actually went to the SBC site and noticed how that churches are commended to use state databases. Here in lies a problem with state databases and why state convention review boards are essential. A state convention review board would acutally be better to assess a pastors misconduct and also provide a better way for a church member to file any clergy misconduct.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-49221097478174700352008-11-18T09:56:00.000-06:002008-11-18T09:56:00.000-06:00The truth is that Paige has no control over the BG...The truth is that Paige has no control over the BGCT in Texas. His area of "expertise" is the SBC and we can all see how well that has worked out. The BGCT has managed to foul it up all on their own. I do find it interesting that the "moderates" aren't willing to stand up and do something worthwhile about this problem. <BR/><BR/>Most of his cronies hang out with the Southern Baptists of Texas group and you won't get any information out of them for sure.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-17974611279131867222008-11-17T21:02:00.000-06:002008-11-17T21:02:00.000-06:00When it comes to clergy child molestation among So...When it comes to clergy child molestation among Southern Baptists, there is no serious reform. There is only status-quo do-nothingness draped in different colors of curtains. Some state conventions have had committees. The national organization had its committee. Nothing changes. They offer only what has failed in the past and shows no sign of working in the future. That's what's real.Christa Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04560409585720043015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-72338638091841613742008-11-17T20:23:00.000-06:002008-11-17T20:23:00.000-06:00I am stunned and perplexed. I don't get this, Cris...I am stunned and perplexed. I don't get this, Crista. When Paige Patterson went up against Bill Clinton for his antics in applying church discipline in the late 1990at the state level, I thought the conservative movement was into some serious reform.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-3630883967252131152008-11-17T20:13:00.000-06:002008-11-17T20:13:00.000-06:00I know that there is no database but there is no r...I know that there is no database but there is no review board in this area either? I thought that they had a commmittee on ethical violations at the state level.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com