tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post7427481435920647666..comments2024-03-17T16:21:14.907-05:00Comments on Stop Baptist Predators: Words and deedsChrista Brownhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04560409585720043015noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-31548245542546949192008-06-10T19:21:00.000-05:002008-06-10T19:21:00.000-05:00Love the Word???It appears many don't even know th...Love the Word???<BR/>It appears many don't even know the Word!<BR/><BR/>As expected...no progress from the SBC to expose and deal with the sexual predators in the ministry.<BR/>sad.gmommyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11713588262748876624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-35717484149826330562008-06-10T18:40:00.000-05:002008-06-10T18:40:00.000-05:00"Good luck with changing the SBC ship--it ain't go..."Good luck with changing the SBC ship--it ain't gonna happen with radicals like you demanding it."<BR/><BR/>Radicals? It is radical to think that ignoring sexual abuse by ministers is abhorent? If that is your definition of a radical, then count me in!<BR/><BR/>Why, we can't even get a personal public rebuke for ministers or even churches who ignore it and think it is no big deal! Oh yes, they make blanket statments that it is bad but NOT ONE OF the leaders will come out and rebuke a minister publicly for ignoring scripture on this issue. And they want us to believe they love the Word?Linhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04723395060585207854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-8430285681712773482008-06-08T21:52:00.000-05:002008-06-08T21:52:00.000-05:00Guess what? Jesus is a "radical" too! So thank yo...Guess what? Jesus is a "radical" too! <BR/><BR/>So thank you Anon, for reinforcing to us that we are on the "narrow" path. I pray that before it all ends that you will understand that your wide and easy "highway" leads<BR/>only to destruction. <BR/><BR/>Praying for you.<BR/>oc.ochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00910693449008506409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-54603648538822182972008-06-08T15:24:00.000-05:002008-06-08T15:24:00.000-05:00Sign me up for the RRR. I will be proud of that.An...Sign me up for the RRR. I will be proud of that.<BR/><BR/>And anon. Why are you so against protecting children? Do you have something to hide? Why would you try to crusade against those who want to protect children against sick demented perverts who masquerade as ministers? Apparently you have something to hide. By your objection, you have made yourself an object in question. Why do you object to protecting people against Baptist Predators?<BR/>Are you "one of them"?<BR/><BR/>PS. Yeah. I'm no lady. I'm not even dainty in the least.<BR/><BR/>oc.ochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00910693449008506409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-65716687067958822762008-06-08T14:14:00.000-05:002008-06-08T14:14:00.000-05:00Working on our flag/banner!!proud member of the RR...Working on our flag/banner!!<BR/><BR/>proud member of the <BR/>RRR :)gmommyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11713588262748876624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-87293888662019209512008-06-08T14:07:00.000-05:002008-06-08T14:07:00.000-05:00Yeah! What we need now is a flag! I propose someth...Yeah! What we need now is a flag! I propose something with "RRR" - for relentless, ragtag rebels!<BR/><BR/>Anon shows us something very sad, doesn't he? Based on what he says, it appears this guy will be a voting messenger at the convention. And he's already decided to vote against anything we might be connected to (which could only have to do with child protection since that's what we're about) and he decides this for no good reason other than the inanity of labeling us as "radicals." As you point out, NewBBC, it is the sad, sad, sad, utterly ignorant, and all-too-frequently-seen method of kicking the messengers instead of conscientiously considering the message.Christa Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04560409585720043015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-19613636656851012242008-06-08T13:48:00.000-05:002008-06-08T13:48:00.000-05:00I'm part of a "rebel crew"???!!!How exciting!!I th...I'm part of a "rebel crew"???!!!<BR/>How exciting!!<BR/><BR/>I thought I was just a mom and grandmother ...<BR/>revealing the scars and wounds caused by childhood sexual abuse in hopes that my children and other children might be protected from them. <BR/><BR/>Isn't it interesting how people whose intent is to harm you, actually empower you???<BR/><BR/>Yep...<BR/>Ragtag Rebel Crew....yes!<BR/><BR/>and since we joined forces with Christa....<BR/>we are the<BR/>Relentless Ragtag Rebel crew!!!!!!<BR/><BR/>Thank you for the inspiration today, anon!!gmommyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11713588262748876624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-66564580185310367012008-06-08T13:01:00.000-05:002008-06-08T13:01:00.000-05:00From one "anonymous" to another...Who said anythin...From one "anonymous" to another...<BR/><BR/>Who said anything about "changing" the SBC or Bellevue ship recently? That would be like, as Dr. Rogers used to say, rearranging the deck chairs on the <I>Titanic</I>. We may be a "crew," and a ragtag one to be sure, but we're no longer on <I>that</I> sinking ship!<BR/><BR/>Oh, and for the record, "oc" isn't a lady... or even female for that matter.<BR/><BR/>Sorry, Christa. Unlike "Anon 12:45" it wasn't my intent to hijack your blog. It never ceases to amaze me how when people can't address the <I>message</I>, they make it all about the <I>messengers</I>.New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-14726556639251052822008-06-08T12:45:00.000-05:002008-06-08T12:45:00.000-05:00Well, its good to see that OC, gmommy, and now the...Well, its good to see that OC, gmommy, and now the infamous (and anonymous) anti-BBC leader are now here. What a crew!<BR/><BR/>By the way, for those who doubt what gmommy is like--just read her posts on the anti-BBC site. They speak for themselves.<BR/><BR/>I'm gone for now dear sweet ladies. All three of you together is more than I care to deal with. <BR/><BR/>Good luck with changing the SBC ship--it ain't gonna happen with radicals like you demanding it. I'll be sure to be there to vote against whatever you propose...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-14621124125245390832008-06-08T12:13:00.000-05:002008-06-08T12:13:00.000-05:00"Trust me, they can act like they are listening wh...<I>"Trust me, they can act like they are listening when they could actually care less about what you are saying."</I><BR/><BR/>Small detail, but the phrase is "they <I>couldn't</I> care less." If they <I>could</I> care less, it would mean they care at least a little, and it's obvious from their words and (in)actions they do not. So they <I>couldn't</I> care less.<BR/><BR/>I don't know about at your churches, but at Bellevue if you aren't the pastor, his wife, or among the handful of rich "Who's Who" elite, you are <I>never</I> going to be "elected" as a messenger to the SBC. Hell will freeze over first.New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-57676829463720755782008-06-08T12:03:00.000-05:002008-06-08T12:03:00.000-05:00Gmommy, Yeah, I'm a Texan. Mr Bravado, ride into t...Gmommy,<BR/> Yeah, I'm a Texan. Mr Bravado, ride into the scene with my six guns out and blazing. But even more important, I am a Christian. And I will still fight for your pure heart, in the name of the Lord. And while I've been studying the Beatitudes, I saw you there...<BR/><BR/>oc.ochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00910693449008506409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-76111897735350911152008-06-08T11:08:00.000-05:002008-06-08T11:08:00.000-05:00Christa, Thanks you...today was a good day to be e...Christa,<BR/> Thanks you...today was a good day to be encouraged.<BR/>Glad if I'm funny sometimes...thought I was always serious :)<BR/><BR/>OC,<BR/> No wars,friend. We've got too much important and productive ways to use our energy:)<BR/>You are such a Texan:)gmommyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11713588262748876624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-10324301380459291902008-06-08T09:19:00.000-05:002008-06-08T09:19:00.000-05:00Anon June 7, 10:20...Learn to read people's hearts...Anon June 7, 10:20...<BR/><BR/>Learn to read people's hearts. She is probably the most wise and loving person you will ever find. And the sweet part about her is... she doesn't even know it! Don't you just love the caring and the expressive and the sensitive heart that just gives without expecting reciprocation? Open to love, and also open to ridicule and hurt. She is one brave woman. I sure admire her.<BR/><BR/><BR/>And to be perfectly honest. If you war on her, you war on me. Why don't you just love her instead? I think that would be the best course.ochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00910693449008506409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-28838758649886467012008-06-08T07:55:00.000-05:002008-06-08T07:55:00.000-05:00oc: I too am troubled that Anon is so dismissive o...oc: I too am troubled that Anon is so dismissive of gmommy. Anon winds up sounding a lot like one of those SBC guys who "acts like they are listening when they could actually care less."<BR/><BR/>I for one am always grateful for gmommy's wise words, funny words, and even occasional strong words. I am grateful for her cyber-support, concern, and understanding. Anon could certainly benefit from the wisdom of gmommy... if only he would open his ears.Christa Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04560409585720043015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-9848462155138879072008-06-07T23:43:00.000-05:002008-06-07T23:43:00.000-05:00Your name for the blog speaks volumes about you.I'...Your name for the blog speaks volumes about you.<BR/><BR/>I'm actually amused by you anon...same ol,same ol<BR/><BR/>but always offended by those who minimize and deflect away from the victims of clergy sexual abuse.gmommyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11713588262748876624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-74534518688260116442008-06-07T22:54:00.000-05:002008-06-07T22:54:00.000-05:00I do appreciate Christa's efforts even though I do...I do appreciate Christa's efforts even though I do not fully agree with her methods. I am working withing the SBC structure to get most of what she wants implemented but its a long hard road. Dealing with deaf morons isn't easy...<BR/><BR/>June 7, 2008 7:05 PM<BR/><BR/>I think that is great but history shows us that true lasting change almost always comes from outside pressure or a crisis because the organization and it's systems are so entrenched real change is hard. <BR/><BR/>What is the motivation for change? My goodness, if protecting children from predator ministers is not motivation enough for professing Christian leaders, then what would be? Negative publicity? A possible job loss? A public rebuke by some of our leaders?<BR/><BR/>You don't like Christa's methods? That is ok, I don't like the SBC's methods to date on this issue. I am trying to figure out how professing Christian leaders can ignore so much scripture so as not to even rebuke some of these churches...as a matter of fact, pastors like Gaines, who protected a pedophile, are invited out to speak for them! Perhaps you can explain that METHOD to me. Or, perhaps not. Perhaps you could teach these theologians some scriptural truths while you are at it.<BR/><BR/>JessAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-17557498472083432882008-06-07T22:20:00.000-05:002008-06-07T22:20:00.000-05:00OC,There's sure no reason for you to take up anoth...OC,<BR/><BR/>There's sure no reason for you to take up another's offense and be offended because gmommy is so easily offended. All you have to do is read her posts on the anti-BBC site and you will know that most everyone and everything offends her. <BR/><BR/>Besides that, she was offended before you were so guess she has the upper hand. <BR/><BR/>Too many Christians are way too easily offended over someone who disagrees with them when they take no offense over ripping someone to shreds on a blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-9540404340876559902008-06-07T19:43:00.000-05:002008-06-07T19:43:00.000-05:00"Its not hard to offend gmommy... But then, I'm no..."Its not hard to offend gmommy... But then, I'm not too worried about that."<BR/><BR/><BR/>What exactly is that supposed to mean? If you are offended by her, then you offend me. Go ahead and explain why you don't care about a sister in Christ's feelings. I'm waiting to hear a reasonable and biblical defense on why you dismiss her.<BR/><BR/><BR/>"Dealing with deaf morons isn't easy..."<BR/><BR/>Yep.ochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00910693449008506409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-4524475256214731292008-06-07T19:05:00.000-05:002008-06-07T19:05:00.000-05:00Its not hard to offend gmommy... But then, I'm no...Its not hard to offend gmommy... But then, I'm not too worried about that.<BR/><BR/>I do appreciate Christa's efforts even though I do not fully agree with her methods. I am working withing the SBC structure to get most of what she wants implemented but its a long hard road. Dealing with deaf morons isn't easy...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-53260680163462946682008-06-07T16:48:00.000-05:002008-06-07T16:48:00.000-05:00Anon 10:54 - I will hope and pray that whatever it...Anon 10:54 - I will hope and pray that whatever it is you say you are doing may indeed be something that works for clergy accountability within the Southern Baptist denomination. I will ALSO hope and pray that outside pressure may provide an effective motivational force to encourage diligence in those who work for change in this denomination.Christa Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04560409585720043015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-16542334756313372472008-06-07T16:24:00.000-05:002008-06-07T16:24:00.000-05:00"Trust me, they can act like they are listening wh..."Trust me, they can act like they are listening when they could actually care less about what you are saying."<BR/><BR/>Gmommy replied "Duh"..... and in doing so, she gave voice to what is really a rolling thunder of "Duhs" from Southern Baptist clergy abuse survivors all across the country.Christa Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04560409585720043015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-74822685436032455272008-06-07T13:18:00.000-05:002008-06-07T13:18:00.000-05:00Junk said that "the timing is interesting". I wil...Junk said that "the timing is interesting". I will go further and say that the timing is more than interesting, it's down right suspicious. It's a smoke-screen meant cover the SBC's behind while they scramble to come up with an excuse as to why they haven't cared nor done anything about the issue. Yeah, it's well written. So was Mein Kampf. This just seems to be so time sensitive, and not sincere. It's a temporary CYA attempt.ochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00910693449008506409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-30228473800887461682008-06-07T12:23:00.000-05:002008-06-07T12:23:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.gmommyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11713588262748876624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-44466384566427614212008-06-07T12:22:00.000-05:002008-06-07T12:22:00.000-05:00"Trust me, they can act like they are listening wh..."Trust me, they can act like they are listening when they could actually care less about what you are saying."<BR/><BR/> my reply to that profound statement is...Duh.<BR/><BR/>also, it's been my experience when anyone says "trust me"...<BR/>I don't.<BR/><BR/>"shrill"??<BR/>"hollering"??<BR/>Not Christa...<BR/><BR/>but she IS relentless!!<BR/>and we love and respect her for that,anon.<BR/>Christa DOES go thru the criticism for the stand she takes for the wounded.gmommyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11713588262748876624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-79458300021758381722008-06-07T10:54:00.000-05:002008-06-07T10:54:00.000-05:00Just another "snarky" comment...I am doing somethi...Just another "snarky" comment...<BR/><BR/>I am doing something. You just don't know what it is and I sure am not going to tell you and go through all the criticism. You will not be heard effectively as long as you do it from the outside. <BR/><BR/>I agree totally with you about a database for the convicted and confessed abusers. You just lose me on the sexual harrassment. <BR/><BR/>But then, I am a Southern Baptist and I'm in there working for effective change.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com