tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post87145078524500262..comments2024-03-17T16:21:14.907-05:00Comments on Stop Baptist Predators: Burqa debate brings forth memoriesChrista Brownhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04560409585720043015noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-27765944771788347902009-07-07T20:24:27.165-05:002009-07-07T20:24:27.165-05:00yes, the obsession with the hymen seems to be univ...yes, the obsession with the hymen seems to be universal, in fact. and so little education about the reality--it is a collar of tissue, not a band (at least in most women) i use a scrunchy (for hair) to show folks what a hymen looks like (in medical talks) then i discuss the importance of a woman realizing that "virginity" is a mental state, not to be confused with our real worth as human beings. this is along the tex-mex border. similar issues in mexico. <br />Your book was wonderful, such good writing. Inspired me to start my own story.atticusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-58447118798995146742009-07-06T09:50:01.533-05:002009-07-06T09:50:01.533-05:00Junkster,
I didn't think there was anything a...Junkster,<br /><br />I didn't think there was anything anti-Islam in Christa's post (rather, she's had significantly more experience and insight than I do). I found the anti-Islam commentary in the comments by people I REALLY don't want to call out or argue with. We're likely all victims here. This is (and should be) a place where respect and tenderness remains at the core, and I was saying it generally to not make anything personal in such a hard, already personalized subject as misogyny in various cultures.Michellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00446840901272705157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-73759863981417517652009-07-05T08:22:49.417-05:002009-07-05T08:22:49.417-05:00Christa, the story was tragic and fascinating. Di...Christa, the story was tragic and fascinating. Did you see your own terror in the eyes of the young girl? I think I would have.<br /><br />Michelle, thank you so much for your insightful comments. I appreciate all you said.<br /><br />I still say there is NO HOPE for Southern Baptists. I do not believe there will ever be change within the church -- it takes leaving the church to save yourself. Wolves might change their clothes but that doesn't ever change who they are.Phyllis Gregorynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-81092254623828457542009-07-03T12:41:37.853-05:002009-07-03T12:41:37.853-05:00Hey!
All those out there who usually isolate on a...Hey! <br />All those out there who usually isolate on a holiday...lets try something new! How about that person who has invited you before and would make it really easy for you to invite yourself over?? Or a movie?? I'm going to give it a try!gmommyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11713588262748876624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-27413488847855776682009-07-02T14:21:09.895-05:002009-07-02T14:21:09.895-05:00I saw nothing anti-Islam in Christa's post. I ...I saw nothing anti-Islam in Christa's post. I only saw criticism of some practices of some Muslims. That is not anti-Islam any more than it is anti-Christian to criticize the practices of some Baptist leaders regarding abusive ministers.Junksterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14422651080120306816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-71158971165942553722009-07-02T06:48:21.692-05:002009-07-02T06:48:21.692-05:00Thank you Christa for your story. I wonder about t...Thank you Christa for your story. I wonder about the same things, and struggle with the same concerns you do here. As a human, these stories rip me. Sometimes when outright rape is adopted into religion I am not a part of, I keep quiet, not knowing where my own cultural ignorance begins and ends. And then I feel guilty because HOW I wish more of other faiths would have come to my rescue as a 7-yr old girl sadistically raped by a known pedophile in my church sanctuary, and if I don't do it for them, then how does any of this begin to change? Doesn't it all start with us?<br /><br />However, I'm disturbed by some of the anti-Islam commentary within the comment section. I nannied for a Muslim family in Scotland. I had my difficulties (i.e. 84 hour weeks) but I loved them, and the man of the family isn't someone who would rape his wife. I would give my life in a second for those kids and used to take them in the living room each noon to listen to the Koran on tape, as requested by their parents. I have questionable Jewish heritage and they--while arguing from beginning to end with me regarding Israel and various beliefs--were very kind to me despite our differences.<br /><br />I saw on BBC once how a French politician referred to the women in the French government as "a chorus of whining vaginas." Misogyny and cruelty and humanity is everywhere. France also has a pretty bad track record doing (and not doing) in Rwanda, where mass rape and hacking of human beings reigned supreme for a horrible 90 days of hell. Likewise, I can understand the distaste for the burqa. I shudder and am often moved to tears each time I see it, in my humble opinion it's significantly different from the hijab. <br /><br />The main thing here is that this is a place to pour love on women, men and children who have been victim of awful "cultural" and "religious" horrors like the woman described by Christa and by Christa's own awful, and in the end, very redeeming story. This is a place where we move in unity to protect and tell our own stories. Questioning culture that hurts people is one thing, hating on them is quite another. Safety of kids and healing of survivors is number 1 on this site. <br /><br />Forgive me for going on a rant about this off the topic subject. It's something I feel so strongly about.Michellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00446840901272705157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-80103216044917261562009-07-01T20:37:26.285-05:002009-07-01T20:37:26.285-05:00Let me help you out, gmommy.
Where is there any ...Let me help you out, gmommy. <br /><br />Where is there any accountability for predatory Baptist pastors and cover-uppers within the Southern Baptist convention? That's the question.<br /><br />Answer: There is none.<br /><br />We are but a few small voices. Where are the Baptist churches, pastors and congregants who will call their state and national leaders to account for their do-nothingness and their failure of leadership? Where are the Baptist leaders who will call predatory pastors and churches that harbor them to account? Where are the Baptist leaders who will even bother to look into reports about predatory pastors? Where are the Baptist pew-sitters who will call Baptist pastors who have harbored predators to account? Why does Steve Gaines still carry the title of "senior pastor" at one of the largest Southern Baptist churches in the country? Why is he not appropriately held to account for having kept quiet about a staff minister's admitted molestation of a kid? Why is he still held up as an example of pastoral leadership at pastors' conferences? And hey... don't even get me started on this one... Why is Paige Patterson still the president of Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary and held up as an example for new upcoming young Southern Baptist pastors to follow?<br /><br />Thy Peace: You are 100 percent right in saying that "the problems are not being solved." But let me be clarify something... the voices of MOST Baptist clergy abuse victims are indeed silenced. They are silenced every day and all across the country. They are silenced by Baptist bullying and intimidation tactics. They are silenced by Baptist church leaders' unwarranted threats of lawsuits... even when they know that what the people are saying is true. They are silenced by contracts for secrecy that victims often wind up signing under duress when they are in desperate need of counseling. And of course, they are silenced by the unwarranted shame that they carry in their hearts and in their very cellular structure because of what a Baptist minister did to them... in the name of God.<br /><br />I weep for so many Baptist clergy abuse victims whose voices have indeed been silenced.Christa Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04560409585720043015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-61071132696083693532009-07-01T20:32:41.321-05:002009-07-01T20:32:41.321-05:00In reading Obama's remark is another reason I ...In reading Obama's remark is another reason I will vote for Hillary in 2012Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-5982474090577687962009-07-01T18:52:51.039-05:002009-07-01T18:52:51.039-05:00Yes, people are calling these abusive Pastors and ...Yes, people are calling these abusive Pastors and Clergy to repentance. But if the SBC Leadership turns a blind eye towards this problem, and at times only offers a palliative and the local churches ignore the voices of victims, allowing these abusive pastors and clergy to continue working ... then I would say the problems are not being solved. Even the symptoms are not being addressed, let alone the causes.<br /><br />Then the only thing we can do is to voice our stilled voices.<br /><br />But please note that the voices being heard now, went through lot of agony, before they could be heard. And the thankfullness is not to SBC or the Churches but to Blogs and the internet, where these voices can not be silenced.Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-6119639099854603522009-07-01T18:02:12.988-05:002009-07-01T18:02:12.988-05:00Dang...zipping mouth...help please.Dang...zipping mouth...help please.gmommyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11713588262748876624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-45641512384016808582009-07-01T17:45:12.008-05:002009-07-01T17:45:12.008-05:00People ARE calling the Baptist predators out, Chri...People ARE calling the Baptist predators out, Christa. HELLO?! Isn't that the purpose of this blog, Wade Burleson's book, several other books and COUNTLESS other blogs and posters all over the internet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-24760746789571730272009-07-01T13:53:50.034-05:002009-07-01T13:53:50.034-05:00"no one in Baptist leadership does anything a..."no one in Baptist leadership does anything about it or even acts as though it matters. Why don't people call THEM out on it???<br /><br />I don't think they say Amen in the church I go to now but since we are talking about Baptists....BIG Amen to that!!!!gmommyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11713588262748876624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-20581380358819829542009-07-01T13:10:37.696-05:002009-07-01T13:10:37.696-05:00Read my book. Child sex abuse among Baptists -- ...Read my book. Child sex abuse among Baptists -- in the name of God, in the house of God, with words of God -- is certainly equally horrifying. And even more horrifying is the fact that, at the very highest levels, no one in Baptist leadership does anything about it or even acts as though it matters. Why don't people call THEM out on it???Christa Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04560409585720043015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-86111851164510548792009-07-01T09:16:44.211-05:002009-07-01T09:16:44.211-05:00fascinating story!
Bravo for Sarkozy! Obama is n...fascinating story! <br /><br />Bravo for Sarkozy! Obama is not real bright.<br /><br />I have a dear friend that went into Afghanistan right after the war while jeeps were still burning at the Kabul airport. She went in as a public health consultant for our government.<br /><br />One of her biggest frustrations was trying to talk the tribal leaders into allowing the women to have exams done by women doctors. Most had not seen any kind of doctor for over 10 years.<br /><br />Funny, they had no problem talking to HER as a western woman. They pretty much wanted money so many times a deal had to be struck where they would profit.<br /><br />The other frustration was seeing women beaten with sticks and rods right in the street! It was an everyday occurance. And not one thing she could do about it. In some cases she took secret videos of these beatings while being driven around Kabul.<br /><br />There is no way I could ever be convinced that the way scripture is interpreted by many to keep women under some sort of earthly priest whether it be a husband or elder is not a mild form of the same type of thinking. (All women are more easily deceived. All women need a 'head', etc)<br /><br /> It is nothing more than a way of elevating themselves over others. It is man centered.<br /><br />God was angry that the Isrealites wanted a king. He wsa their King. He was angry that they ignored and disobeyed Him while He was leading them out of Egypt...so the law.<br /><br />Now, we are to have direct access to Jesus Christ. No earthly authority between us and Him. Not even the government that He instituted will stand between us and Him. But Jesus Christ is the authority of the Body of believers. Not humans.Lydiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17367390474045060624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-12509007873883847132009-06-30T19:30:05.567-05:002009-06-30T19:30:05.567-05:00TP,
what you are describing is rape and post trau...TP, <br />what you are describing is rape and post traumatic stress syndrome. (brutal, fear, shock, something taken away from them,in a daze,sad)<br /><br />Humans are such animals.gmommyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11713588262748876624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-5717485217109356662009-06-30T19:20:56.006-05:002009-06-30T19:20:56.006-05:00This losing of virginity is lot of times brutal. I...This losing of virginity is lot of times brutal. I have seen this fear too many times in girls getting married off. Lot of times, it almost feels like they are being turned inside out. Sometimes rituals and culture cushions these shocks, but for some there is no cushion. When there is no love or tenderness, it feels like something is taken from you. I have seen girls in a daze for a long time after this. Sad.<br /><br />This happens in the west too. I mean amongst westerners.Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-17031644088823703412009-06-30T16:28:39.486-05:002009-06-30T16:28:39.486-05:00In the west (and east), this is more hidden but st...In the west (and east), this is more hidden but still present.<br /><br /><a href="http://undermuchgrace.blogspot.com/search/label/Fight%20the%20Mental%20Burqa" rel="nofollow">Under Much Grace Blog > Fight the Mental Burqa (Showing all the posts with label)</a>.Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.com