tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post8902892749403433366..comments2024-03-17T16:21:14.907-05:00Comments on Stop Baptist Predators: WANTED: Courageous Baptist pastors!Christa Brownhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04560409585720043015noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-27558351867978456252008-07-08T07:05:00.000-05:002008-07-08T07:05:00.000-05:00I am Rev. Dr. Nishan Wijesinha from SRI LANKA. Her...I am Rev. Dr. Nishan Wijesinha from SRI LANKA. Here in Sri Lanka with the Tsunami striking the Southern and North and East Provinces, and also the war in the North, has left many homeless and subjected to spirits of divination. The Lord called me to a ministry in these concepts. And I have put out the following website so that it will encourage the ministers in the walk with the Lord. This website is located at<BR/>www.geocities.com/drnishan/divining.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-24996395502482417322008-02-09T03:45:00.000-06:002008-02-09T03:45:00.000-06:00Deeply ConcernedI am writing this letter from a va...Deeply Concerned<BR/><BR/>I am writing this letter from a variety of perspectives, what Darrell has been accused of doing has made it difficult for those who have been wrongly accused. Likewise, if he is guilty then there should be swift justice for his victims. <BR/><BR/>Darrell’s history has made it difficult for those who are wrongly accused to ever be heard and believed for the truth that is. Yet, Gilyard's alleged actions have been egregiously trailed. It is my prayer that it is a false allegation, but given that he has been arrested, does not speak well for his innocence. The reports that he has resigned and/or others been fired also gives a particular signal. I do pray that we all learn something from this experience. If these allegations are true, then I do pray for the justice systems swift and prompt action. He should also receive therapeutic treatment for the countless abuse allegations. <BR/><BR/>I do pray that we might learn from this experience. We need to be cautious with our precious children. Always taking extreme caution with anyone who we have not developed a healthy and meaningful relationship. A former pastor of my youth, Dr. J. E. Hollingsworth always expressed a need to take caution when dealing with anyone. He taught me while I was a young person and worker of his ministry at Kingspark Baptist Church, that even the appearance of evil should be weighted. We should not place ourselves into a situation and/or an environment that might jeopardize our wellbeing. <BR/><BR/>My prayers are with those who have accused Dr. Gilyard, as well as, with the Gilyard family. Again, if he is found guilty it would be my prayer for immediate and prompt justice, and that he may be finally forced into therapeutic treatment. Again, it is of utmost importance that these children receive care too. I pray that if the allegations are true, then they should receive therapy accordingly, if not, then they too should receive the hand of justice and therapeutic care. I am a firm believer that we need to place our minds on both the macro and micro perspectives ensuring that no rock is left unturned. I am a firm believer of innocent until proven guilty. I am also a firm believer in forgiveness. While I cannot speak what I might do if God forbid it was my child, but I do hope that the grace and mercy of God would fulfill me. <BR/><BR/>I do not believe that forgiveness eliminates responsibility. We are responsible for he deeds we commit and the forgiveness factor is a direct command of God. <BR/><BR/>My wishes and prayers are with everyone involved. <BR/><BR/>Asa <BR/><BR/>PHILIPPIANS 4:4-9<BR/><BR/>4 Rejoice in the Lord always. I will say it again: Rejoice! 5 Let your gentleness be evident to all. The Lord is near. 6 Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. 7 And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus. 8 Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things. 9 Whatever you have learned or received or heard from me, or seen <BR/>In me —put it into practice. And the God of peace will be with you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-25925826440687984502008-02-02T21:02:00.000-06:002008-02-02T21:02:00.000-06:00Reading 1 Corinthians 5, I cannot imagine Jesus wo...Reading 1 Corinthians 5, I cannot imagine Jesus would have spoken there and not rebuked the pastor to shame and stepping down from ministry.<BR/><BR/>Jon, Are you a pastor?<BR/><BR/>Anon, all believers have 'anointing'. There are no special anointed beleivers. God is no respecter of persons. Jesus taught we are not to lord it over others and whoever would be the greatist in the Kingdom must be the servant of all. He used a child to teach this in Matthew 18. In that time, children had NO social standing. They were equivelant to slaves. If Jesus was trying to attract believers, it was a horrible marketing tactic. Jesus came as a lowly peasant with no political power. He uses the weak the shame the strong. (2 Corin)<BR/><BR/><BR/>And if God wanted us NOT to rebuke and call out sin in the church...including the elders, then why the Epistles which are full of instructions for doing just that? And full of warnings about guys like Gilyard, Patterson and co?<BR/><BR/>Read your Bible. The Holy Spirit will teach you., In this day and time, there are many false teachers out there twisting scripture for power and personal gain. You must be a Berean.<BR/><BR/>Your friend.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-89456299582346160162008-01-31T17:52:00.000-06:002008-01-31T17:52:00.000-06:00Sure I think the Lord Jesus would have spoken, but...Sure I think the Lord Jesus would have spoken, but as He rebuked the Pharisees right in the temple, I am sure He would have gotten up into that pulpit and rebuked the wicked actions of those men. He would have spoken on behalf of the victims of predatory pastors as He spoke on behalf of the widows preyed upon by the Pharisees, and He would have rebuked the SBC/IFB confidence in political parties/rallies/big numbers and names as He rebuked the confidence that the religious leaders of His day placed in being of the lineage of Moses and Abraham, or the monuments that they built to the prophets, whom their fathers slew.<BR/><BR/>Believe me, if the Lord Jesus had come and spoken at Gilyard's church, I would not be at all surprised if the result would not be the same as it was 2000 years ago: some disgruntled follower goign out and looking for 30 pieces of silver, and some crooked religious leaders approaching him with 30 pieces of silver all ready.<BR/><BR/>When they betray the innocent, they DO betray the Lord Jesus Christ.Jerihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14234147722462126392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-56758645554480710762008-01-30T19:30:00.000-06:002008-01-30T19:30:00.000-06:00Truly, civil justice is the restraineth of a man t...Truly, civil justice is the restraineth of a man that will not restraineth themself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-79578752643590455192008-01-30T16:06:00.000-06:002008-01-30T16:06:00.000-06:00my point....when you lie with dogs, you tend to ge...my point....when you lie with dogs, you tend to get their fleas.<BR/><BR/> no matter what your opinion is, there are church people who skip the details of what's really going on and look to their "leadership" for direction. I have experienced this personally many times in the last year.<BR/>It may not mean that the leader condones whatever wrong is going on but to many people it sends a message of support.<BR/><BR/>Not that you don't already know this.gmommyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11713588262748876624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-81597069968697621872008-01-30T10:50:00.000-06:002008-01-30T10:50:00.000-06:00Do you think Jesus would have accepted an invitati...Do you think Jesus would have accepted an invitation to speak at Gilyard's church if given opportunity?<BR/><BR/>Think of the hearts of the church leaders where Jesus did speak? The hearts of the people?<BR/><BR/>Speaking somewhere does not immediately mean condoning of someone unless all can be guilty by association.<BR/><BR/>But you need to make a point so I understand where you are coming from.Jon L. Esteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13197096460227507823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-88249872405739021242008-01-29T23:05:00.000-06:002008-01-29T23:05:00.000-06:00you would think Paige P would understand scripture...you would think Paige P would understand scripture better, wouldn't you??? BUT I guess his twist worked for the moment.<BR/><BR/>He should so step away from leadership along with all of the ministers that cover for or have any knowledge of abuse by clergy and do NOTHING!<BR/>He can kill all the wild animals he wants but there is nothing manly or godly about him if he can't protect the innocent and tell the truth.gmommyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11713588262748876624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-9429989450252328492008-01-29T22:31:00.000-06:002008-01-29T22:31:00.000-06:00fbc jax watchdog What is the deal with Pattter...fbc jax watchdog <BR/><BR/> What is the deal with Pattterson on this matter then? Matthew 18 never ever indicates that two witnesses are needed in such a type of case. Matthew 18 is dealing when an offense can't be staightened out one on one and another person has to come along side.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-88492743785378980672008-01-29T11:26:00.000-06:002008-01-29T11:26:00.000-06:00Thank you for explaining that so well!!!!... I had...Thank you for explaining that so well!!!!... I had never thought much about that term (so loosly used by SBC ministers) until this past year.<BR/>Amazing how "catholic" we are becoming....we don't get into our own Bibles because it is on the BIG SCREEN and it's what the SR Pastors say from the pulpit!!!gmommyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11713588262748876624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-66266300643827792852008-01-29T09:06:00.000-06:002008-01-29T09:06:00.000-06:00The "anointed" one is Jesus Christ. Previous to Hi...The "anointed" one is Jesus Christ. Previous to His incarnation, there were anointings given to specific men who acted as God's representatives on earth. However, since the advent of jesus Christ, He is the anointed one.<BR/><BR/>2 Corinthians 1:20-21 tells us, "all the promises of God in him [are] yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us. Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, [is] God."<BR/><BR/>That is, in Jesus Christ, we have the standing of Jesus Christ before God. His righteousness is imputed to us, as well as His position of Sonship. All who are in Christ Jesus are anointed of God to serve as priests and to one day reign with Christ.<BR/><BR/>So the converse of what is warned is true: there is no hope or help for any man, no matter how high his church office, who allows the innocent beleivers to be harmed by predators. For HE has harmed the anointed of God. Such actions bring his profession of Christ into doubt. And certainly, for the sake of his own soul, the Church should rebuke him strongly and demand to see fruits of genuine repentance or else declare him anathema.Jerihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14234147722462126392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-61341372141017521022008-01-29T08:32:00.000-06:002008-01-29T08:32:00.000-06:00anonymous 2,Yea....keep drinking that kool-aid!Sor...anonymous 2,<BR/>Yea....keep drinking that kool-aid!<BR/>Sorry, but that is just brainless of you. <BR/>Study the scriptures instead of listening to what these so called annointed tell you.<BR/>Study the priesthood of the believer.<BR/>Skip to the New Testament,PLEASE!gmommyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11713588262748876624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-10296213222079320482008-01-29T08:03:00.000-06:002008-01-29T08:03:00.000-06:00anonymous 1: If I were in Jacksonville, I would st...anonymous 1: If I were in Jacksonville, I would stand out front handing out a list of these questions to every pastor attending the conference. But I'm not in Jacksonville.<BR/><BR/>anonymous 2: Actually, NONE of us can possibly know for sure whether a particular pastor is a "God-called" man or not. All we can know is that he says he is "God-called" and that he's convinced some other people of that. And as for the "touch not mine annointed" line...it's been used far too often to shame clergy abuse victims back into silence and to leave child-molesting ministers in their pulpits.Christa Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04560409585720043015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-43451561360603409932008-01-28T23:37:00.000-06:002008-01-28T23:37:00.000-06:00Excellent article Christa. Everything I know about...Excellent article Christa. Everything I know about Jerry Vines tells me he WILL address this issue publicly at the Pastor's Conference, will apologize for the poor decision in preaching at Gilyard's church and not doing more to expose him. <BR/><BR/>Everything I know about Paige Patterson tells me he WILL NOT.<BR/><BR/>We shall see.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-40543666055903044462008-01-28T22:43:00.000-06:002008-01-28T22:43:00.000-06:00If a pastor has committed sin, the sin will be dea...If a pastor has committed sin, the sin will be dealt with. God never allows sin to go unpunishd. What one must remember is that pastors are God-called men and we are repeatedly warned at being careful in touching God's annointed. The word of God clearly states: "wicked men flee when no one is chasing them" If this pastor has not done anything wrong, he needs to confront and face his accusers. IF however he has indeed committed such sins he will not prosper, his sin will find him out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-41230112319203581682008-01-28T19:40:00.000-06:002008-01-28T19:40:00.000-06:00It would seem appropriate for people to demonstrat...It would seem appropriate for people to demonstrate outside the venue. Since you can't depend on the pastors to say anything, wouldn't that force some sort of attention to the problem? I would if I was not 800 miles away.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com