tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post1061359377644625176..comments2024-03-17T16:21:14.907-05:00Comments on Stop Baptist Predators: Alleged rape cover-up implicates multiple pastors, multiple churchesChrista Brownhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04560409585720043015noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-52755547594718849712011-04-10T14:54:04.289-05:002011-04-10T14:54:04.289-05:00My priority right now is to somehow communicate wi...My priority right now is to somehow communicate with Tina herself. I believe you. And you need to know that you were the victim of a sexual predator and that you were raped. This is not your fault in any way. You were a child. You deserved to be protected by your mother and by anyone else you told about these attacks. You were molested and harmed, and then abused further by your mother and the pastors who wanted to blame you. You have been a victim of sexual abuse, emotional abuse, and spiritual abuse. I am with you and for you.MarfromWIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13582007928874612152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-73609698604633913352011-04-09T15:37:25.029-05:002011-04-09T15:37:25.029-05:00This is a terrible situation. Obviously, the firs...This is a terrible situation. Obviously, the first thing to do when a teen confides in a church authority about any sexual abuse, is to go to the police. There should be no exception! No one is above the law! If a molester is not put in prison it should never be a pastor's fault. So sad.can relate with Tinanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-23539133269831149752011-02-15T11:28:59.557-06:002011-02-15T11:28:59.557-06:00Christa,
Just found out about this through a fell...Christa,<br /><br />Just found out about this through a fellow church member concerned over the "control issues" with their son. The senior pastor of the church we attend was in NH at the time. It appears he was the youth pastor. Any comment on what involvement/decision making he would have had? Oddly enough, the church name is Trinity Baptist, Westfield, IN. Thank you for your advocating for our children!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-60480758014915136842010-06-02T16:45:20.989-05:002010-06-02T16:45:20.989-05:00I was there during the church discipline of Tina a...I was there during the church discipline of Tina and Ernie and I was completely against it because it was a matter that did not need a public apology. I remember it as if it was yesterday and it was a turning point of my life because, at the time, I was not receiving any support from Pastor Phelps for the abuse I was suffering from from the hands of my then-husband. I knew I was in for a lot of turmoil if I ever left my husband and it came true 2 yrs after Tina's church discipline; I was cast off the church membership list and disciplined. Luckily, I was in Florida at the time of my church discipline b/c I refused to go back to my ex in NH but I can just imagine how frozen everyone was when my name was brought up before the "LOVING" church members. <br />If you would like a laugh, go to <br />www.wkxl1450.com to listen to Phelps being interviewed in regards to this case. It was live today and I found this info via Jocelyn Zichterman via Facebook. Phelps is just as cunning and contrite as he was back in 1997 when Tina stood before the church and it is creepy to hear his voice after all of these years. <br />I hope Phelps goes "down" and they throw away the key! <br />Aprilthe teacher's petshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01196076588030535094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-50437210900508585872010-06-02T11:13:46.291-05:002010-06-02T11:13:46.291-05:00Actually, the posting gives many sides to the stor...Actually, the posting gives many sides to the story as reported and linked in multiple news sources, and those news sources quoted numerous people, including pastor Chuck Phelps and pastor Brian Fuller. So they had a chance to speak and to get "their side" into print.<br /><br />I have never purported to judge all Baptist churches, and to the contrary, I have consistently said that I know there many good Baptist pastors who are serving in Baptist churches. However, because Baptists lack systems of accountability similar to what other major faith groups have, and because they refuse to keep systematic records on credible accusations against clergy, it is often virtually impossible to tell the "good guys" from the "bad guys." Baptists need systems of accountability and systems of record-keeping so that people in the pews can obtain reliable, objective information about the preachers who stand in their pulpits.Christa Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04560409585720043015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-68099999216841650962010-06-02T09:46:48.855-05:002010-06-02T09:46:48.855-05:00Hmmm...funny that you only get one side of the sto...Hmmm...funny that you only get one side of the story here. How do you know that Tina is telling the truth and that everyone else is wrong? I think you are choosing to believe what you want to. I grew up in a Baptist church and never felt controlled in any way. I have never felt more loved and accepted. I don't believe that every Baptist church is loving and God-honoring, however, you have no right to judge them all. Say what you want, but I know better.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-48800337675032753422010-06-01T21:50:03.078-05:002010-06-01T21:50:03.078-05:00Christa, thanks for posting this remarkably distur...Christa, thanks for posting this remarkably disturbing story...Adam H.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-85081313353955812472010-06-01T20:33:59.321-05:002010-06-01T20:33:59.321-05:00Just when you thought it couldn't get any sick...Just when you thought it couldn't get any sicker.............hrhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06989434735794993426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-65215900623075857692010-06-01T08:38:54.034-05:002010-06-01T08:38:54.034-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-23576600667448876852010-05-31T04:39:35.553-05:002010-05-31T04:39:35.553-05:00Christa,
Thanks for posting this. You and Jerri d...Christa,<br /><br />Thanks for posting this. You and Jerri do a great work in exposing these soundrels.<br /><br />Here is another interesting twist. Anderson taught at International Baptist College in Arizona where Mike Sproul is the Pastor of the mother church and the chairman of the college board. She says that she resigned one day before Willis was arrested. She doesn't say why she resigned. I can only speculate.<br /><br />I do know that Mike Sproul is on the board of directors of the FBFI and that Chuck Phelps is the Vice Chairman of the FBFI. I wonder what reaction she got from Sproul when she told him that she was going public with this? I am not making an accusation--I am just wondering why she felt it necessary to resign.<br /><br />So, we have three independent Baptist colleges with connections to this fiasco--Maranatha in Wisconsin (hired Phelps as President when he left Trinity), Northland in Wisconsin (hired Olson when he left Tri-City) and IBC in Arizona where Anderson taught and where she resigned before going public with this. Amazing! Oh and Bob Jones is connected from the standpoint that all three men, Phelps, Olson and Sproul received training at Bob Jones Univ.Ken Pulliamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12161943466797514854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-75251724665098685032010-05-30T20:34:08.114-05:002010-05-30T20:34:08.114-05:00John Matzko just kept going. Here is the link to h...John Matzko just kept going. Here is the link to his unbelievable conversation with me. I'm sorry for the ad, Christa. I'm also goign to ask you to post the dialogue on your blog if you will, or incorporate it in your own essay. But fundies fear exposure, so the more Matzko's heartless words get published, the more they feel the pressure. Anybody is free to copy it and circulate it.<br /><br /><a href="http://jeriwho.net/lillypad2/?p=1934" rel="nofollow"><br />http://jeriwho.net/lillypad2/?p=1934</a>Jerihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14234147722462126392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-81168274727984070142010-05-30T20:33:35.526-05:002010-05-30T20:33:35.526-05:00Absolute moral and spiritual bankruptcy.
Where is...Absolute moral and spiritual bankruptcy. <br />Where is his concern for the victim? Once again a "Christians leader" proud to have made it just under the radar. If the statue of limitations was only 6 years and the victim wasn't able to come forward until after that time....oh well!!! <br />There isn't a hint of compassion for the victim or outrage at the crime. All I hear is arrogance and a hard, cold heart.<br />He's not "buying it"?????? Willis has admitted to fathering the child the victim had!! He just said that was statutory rape!!! This man is evil.gmommyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11713588262748876624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-65071284385047388462010-05-30T20:24:56.441-05:002010-05-30T20:24:56.441-05:00Yes. A case study in moral bankruptcy. Any fool wi...Yes. A case study in moral bankruptcy. Any fool will know that just because something may go unpunished under the law does not make it morally right. Any fool except a whole lot of Baptist honchos.<br /><br />Check out Watchdog's latest posting: <a href="http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com/2010/05/trinity-baptist-church-members-please.html" rel="nofollow">"Trinity Baptist Church members: Please Disobey Your Pastor."</a>Christa Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04560409585720043015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-84685320217415355732010-05-30T20:08:31.554-05:002010-05-30T20:08:31.554-05:00Here's what John Matzko, faculty member at Bob...Here's what John Matzko, faculty member at Bob Jones University, wrote on my Facebook wall:<br /><br />========QUOTE======<br />Subtract the questionable public confessions before the church, and to me it looks mostly like a case of sloppy police work thirteen years ago.<br /><br />Raped twice? So the girl's raped and then goes back to see the same guy again in private. The prosecutor better have a convincing personality to get a conviction on that sort of testimony. <br />=========END========<br /><br />So I really rebuked him. I mean, he's so amoral he doesn't even see that the heart of the issue is that the church utterly misrepresented what happened and made a 15 year old the scapegoat of being raped by a 38 year old member of the church. I pointed out to him that the second rape occurred at her home, when Willis came over when her mother was not there. So Matzko wrote:<br /><br />===========QUOTE======<br />Sorry, I'm not buying it. Neither will a jury, if it even gets that far.<br />===========END=======<br /><br />And then after I rebuked him,<br />Matzko wrote:<br />============QUOTE========<br />In New Hampshire, penetration committed on a minor younger than 16 is indeed statutory rape. But the statute of limitations runs only six years. If Phelps reported the incident, then the problem is--unless proved otherwise--with the police.<br />============END========<br /><br />It's a study in moral bankruptcyJerihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14234147722462126392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-10586105530227491542010-05-30T18:38:55.974-05:002010-05-30T18:38:55.974-05:00"My eyes are opening that the fundamentalist ...<i>"My eyes are opening that the fundamentalist baptist theology of women in the church is more about controlling women and putting them in their place, than it is about theology."</i><br /><br />One of my favorite columnists, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Pitts" rel="nofollow">Leonard Pitts,</a> put this word into print in 2006: "Talibaptists." He wasn't talking about clergy sex abuse at the time, but his use of the word sure caught my attention, and I think we've seen plenty of cases like this in which it seems to be an appropriate word.Christa Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04560409585720043015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-89192949565225796392010-05-30T17:21:03.169-05:002010-05-30T17:21:03.169-05:00What a set up for Tina.
Willis knew she had been ...What a set up for Tina. <br />Willis knew she had been molested. Willis knew her mother wouldn't protect her. Her mother went along with the pastor's humiliating and abusive "suggestion" for this child(Tina) to visit the criminal who beat and molested her while he was in prison for another sex crime.<br />Sounds like Tina had no dad protecting her and Willis knew that too. It appears Willis took his time to "groom" Tina...that's always part of the thrill for a predator.<br />Why should Willis fear that he would look bad to the congregation?? Had he convinced himself that Tina "wanted him" after all the time he spent in his lustful thoughts while Tina thought she was safe with "church friends"?? It makes me sick to think of what was going thru this man's mind. <br />What kind of women believe this child would want to "seduce" an older man in the church? Why wouldn't decent people think it was horrible for Willis to take advantage of a child who had already been victimized?<br />Did they rationalize that Tina wanted to be raped since she had been sexually traumatized before? <br /><br />What I'd really like to know is why Tina had to sit anywhere near Willis and his wife after she had given birth to his child and gone thru hell? Was this suppose to represent that all was forgiven and forgotten?? How sick can they be!<br />Tina's mom, Willis, his wife, Phelps, and his wife should be the ones repenting and asking for Tina's forgiveness.gmommyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11713588262748876624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-20612061343072138882010-05-30T16:15:36.678-05:002010-05-30T16:15:36.678-05:00And fundamentalist Christians talk about Muslims n...And fundamentalist Christians talk about Muslims not respecting women? My eyes are opening that the fundamentalist baptist theology of women in the church is more about controlling women and putting them in their place, than it is about theology.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-26146843096940320022010-05-30T15:53:00.627-05:002010-05-30T15:53:00.627-05:00Strangely Enough: If you want to dish out know-not...Strangely Enough: If you want to dish out know-nothing victim-blaming talk, I guess you'll just have to do it at your church. Maybe they allow such mean ignorance there... strangely enough.... but I don't allow it here.Christa Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04560409585720043015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-15756617259775512222010-05-30T15:26:51.206-05:002010-05-30T15:26:51.206-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Strangely Enoughnoreply@blogger.com