tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post2162691944937918485..comments2024-03-17T16:21:14.907-05:00Comments on Stop Baptist Predators: Haggard scandal isn't about gay sexChrista Brownhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04560409585720043015noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-20113820260025938362009-01-28T19:59:00.000-06:002009-01-28T19:59:00.000-06:00"He had to agree to those conditions."Yes, that's ...<I>"He had to agree to those conditions."</I><BR/><BR/>Yes, that's what I think, too, and I guess $309,020 was the incentive for him to agree to the "exile."<BR/><BR/>The picture of him out there on the golf course really struck me too. It's not exactly the past-time of people who are struggling.Christa Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04560409585720043015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-59415143808303850332009-01-28T19:50:00.000-06:002009-01-28T19:50:00.000-06:00I too was disgusted by the "poor Ted" routine. Thi...I too was disgusted by the "poor Ted" routine. This guy had to go on his first ever job interview at age 50. Gee... welcome to the world of real people, Ted. This guy, even after he was paid $300,000 to leave the church, still had friends who had homes they were willing to let Ted and his family live in for extended periods. So... he was kicked out of the church but his well-heeled friends shared their wealth so that he got to live rent-free. Boo hoo. He had to take out a loan against his house in Colorado Springs (a house that, as I recall, they said was worth $700,000 - presumably paid for by church people whose love and trust he betrayed). Must be tough. I think the HBO special that airs tomorrow night is going to show more of Ted's "sad" financial straits and loss of prestige. In this sour economic climate when a lot of honest, decent, hard-working people are struggling, I hope more people will be disgusted with Ted's "poor me" attitude.<BR/><BR/>The Oprah show was taped before these latest revelations of Haggard abusing a young congregant, and I can't help but wish that Oprah had somehow found a way to address it more at the end. I'm glad the Denver TV station gave the young man some TV talk time. He deserves air time a whole heckuva lot more than Haggard does.Christa Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04560409585720043015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-20773728119817385882009-01-28T19:47:00.000-06:002009-01-28T19:47:00.000-06:00Not only was $300,000 apparently not enough to liv...Not only was $300,000 apparently not enough to live on, did you catch the part about people generously "donating" the use of their houses to the family during the year they were in exile? They had a home in Colorado. I still don't understand how the church could legally kick him out of the state. Out of the church, yes. But not his house -- unless it belonged to the church and apparently it didn't. And under no circumstances, the state. He had to agree to those conditions. They kept talking about "their" house in Colorado. I kept wondering why they didn't sell it. According to Colorado law, he committed no crime -- that we know of. I just don't get it.<BR/><BR/>The previous <A HREF="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,478944,00.html" REL="nofollow">article</A> was interesting, too. From that article, "Over a 14-month period ending Dec. 31, 2007, New Life Church paid the Haggard family $309,020 in salary and benefits, according to a church document obtained by The Associated Press.<BR/><BR/>"The payout included $152,360 in salary for Ted Haggard, $62,177 in salary for his wife, Gayle, $26,426 for counseling, $11,168 for legal fees and $26,000 to help care for the couple's special-needs son, who is in his early 20s."<BR/><BR/>He looked like he was really suffering out there on that hot golf course, too. Reminded me of O.J. looking for the "real killer."<BR/><BR/><I>"This Oprah is the one who believes thyroid disease is some kind of an emotional repression."</I><BR/><BR/>That would be the one! What got me about Oprah was when Haggard's wife said something about people having the choice to not act on their instincts (in this case, same-sex attraction, and one of the few truths spoken during the whole show), and Oprah said, "No, I won't go there." In other words, if you're a man and you're attracted to men, there's nothing wrong with acting on your impulses. You <I>should</I> "be who you are." And the audience applauded enthusiastically. Blech.New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-89505049666687862252009-01-28T19:05:00.000-06:002009-01-28T19:05:00.000-06:00So poor Teddy couldn't live on $300,000 for a year...So poor Teddy couldn't live on $300,000 for a year...money was tight???<BR/>He has no idea what that means...but I hope he does soon!<BR/><BR/>Also, what is Oprah smoking!<BR/>She thinks that NOW he would make a BETTER minister!<BR/><BR/>This is NOT the same Oprah who was a trail blazer in exposing the reality of sexual abuse.<BR/><BR/>This Oprah is the one who believes thyroid disease is some kind of an emotional repression.gmommyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11713588262748876624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-38495378391751751152009-01-28T19:03:00.000-06:002009-01-28T19:03:00.000-06:00From the story:"Ted began counseling foreign digni...From the story:<BR/><BR/><I>"Ted began counseling foreign dignitaries and consulting on a weekly basis with President George W. Bush."</I><BR/><BR/>Which had <I>what</I> exactly to do with the story? Is there anything Oprah won't drag George W. Bush into?New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-89137064692941513942009-01-28T18:53:00.000-06:002009-01-28T18:53:00.000-06:00I hate the word "incident".It's an attempt to sani...<I>I hate the word "incident".</I><BR/><BR/>It's an attempt to sanitize it, like "moral failure."New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-7088366504260227462009-01-28T18:37:00.000-06:002009-01-28T18:37:00.000-06:00BTW...I hate the word "incident".I wish I could ma...BTW...I hate the word "incident".<BR/>I wish I could make it disappear from the dictionary.<BR/><BR/>That word was used so many times in the reading of the bogus investigation report at BBC... instead of sin, crime, or abuse. <BR/><BR/>A minister preying on vulnerable wounded women who think they are getting approved to be workers in SS is not an incident.<BR/>A child being molested is not an incident.<BR/><BR/>And they left out what the pervert had done that wasn't public yet.<BR/><BR/>"Incident" is now a trigger word for me. I have to take a beta blocker to slow my heart down, and my neck feels like it is being pinched every time I hear that filthy word.gmommyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11713588262748876624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-85384135202646573662009-01-28T18:26:00.000-06:002009-01-28T18:26:00.000-06:00From an article on this site:"The letter said the ...From an article on this site:<BR/>"The letter said the church "received reports of a number of incidents of inappropriate behavior" after Haggard's fall. "In each case, we have tried our very best to do the right thing each time, including disciplinary action when appropriate."<BR/><BR/>Disciplinary action when appropriate????<BR/><BR/>Ted got 300,000 to go on a vacation. I bet that's not what they are calling discipline.<BR/><BR/>Churches are known for victimizing the wounded even more.<BR/>I'd like to know exactly what this statement is talking about.gmommyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11713588262748876624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-61566440271550853642009-01-28T18:19:00.000-06:002009-01-28T18:19:00.000-06:00"I can't imagine what more it would take for peopl...<I>"I can't imagine what more it would take for people to open their eyes."</I><BR/><BR/>Perhaps a personal encounter?New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-34614094215269446782009-01-28T18:13:00.000-06:002009-01-28T18:13:00.000-06:00"He fooled thousands into thinking he was a messen...<I>"He fooled thousands into thinking he was a messenger of God!"</I><BR/><BR/>Yes, and the thing that amazes me is that he's STILL fooling them. I scanned through the comments on the Oprah site and on the KRDO.com TV station site in Denver, and many people are singing the praises of poor "Pastor Ted" and the church, who they say are being made to look poorly by the media. It's just phenomenal. I can't imagine what more it would take for people to open their eyes.Christa Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04560409585720043015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-34495538853790217222009-01-28T18:10:00.000-06:002009-01-28T18:10:00.000-06:00I'm sure it was a fond memory for him!Who was the ...I'm sure it was a fond memory for him!<BR/>Who was the killer not too long ago that loved the attention he got talking to the police about all the details??? <BR/>One day they didn't come to interview him and he said it was his worse day since the arrest.<BR/><BR/>Not that he missed his family. Not that he felt bad for all the families he had destroyed...but he was sad because the police didn't come ask him questions about the people he murdered.<BR/><BR/>That wife is delusional.gmommyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11713588262748876624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-41222707473482079192009-01-28T18:01:00.000-06:002009-01-28T18:01:00.000-06:00Yes, NASS knows that. What I meant was the child ...Yes, NASS knows that. What I meant was the child is not physically forced to participate. "Consensual" was a term of convenience. It seems Haggard has no regret over the situation though. It was almost as if he looked back on it with fond memories which I thought was beyond weird.New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-91953988546481882162009-01-28T17:49:00.000-06:002009-01-28T17:49:00.000-06:00Of course,Nass knows a child can never "give conse...Of course,Nass knows a child can never "give consent" in this area.<BR/> <BR/>They can be confused and manipulated by the predator into believing they were participants...and carry that guilt and shame around forever.<BR/><BR/>Obviously Ted Freak is a very persuasive man. He fooled thousands into thinking he was a messenger of God!<BR/>The nice church people and the press are just compounding the chances against this young man being able to live a peaceful life by calling Ted's manipulation and abuse an "affair".gmommyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11713588262748876624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-4344511981885083382009-01-28T17:37:00.000-06:002009-01-28T17:37:00.000-06:00Doesn't it just warm the cockels of your heart to ...Doesn't it just warm the cockels of your heart to know that the "Lord's money" is being spent in such a compassionate and needy way. Way to go church, you have just lost more credibility.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-71728731686946314922009-01-28T17:08:00.000-06:002009-01-28T17:08:00.000-06:00According to the news video shown here from a Denv...According to the news video shown <A HREF="http://www.scandalist.com/2009-01-27/ted-haggard-accused-of-sex-act-by-former-church-volunteer/" REL="nofollow">here</A> from a Denver TV station, the church essentially paid Haggard $300,000 to go away and to stay out of the media spotlight. So, in effect, the church not only paid hush money to the victim but also paid "hush money" to Haggard. And of course I'm wondering how many others they many have hushed up. But I expect the church would likely call it "compassionate assistance." Uh-huh.Christa Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04560409585720043015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-20690272200163299502009-01-28T16:52:00.000-06:002009-01-28T16:52:00.000-06:00Question: How could the church in Colorado legall...Question: How could the church in Colorado legally require Haggard to leave the state? They could fire him and kick him out of the church, but I don't understand how a church can require a person to leave the state.New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-48701765108257240302009-01-28T16:39:00.000-06:002009-01-28T16:39:00.000-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-81203052110444063362009-01-28T16:27:00.000-06:002009-01-28T16:27:00.000-06:00Haggard says that during counseling, as an adult, ...Haggard says that during counseling, as an adult, he told about wetting the bed until he was in the 6th grade and how the counselor said something traumatic must have happened during his childhood to cause it. (Kids can have physical problems. It's not always psychological.) He said no, he was raised in an idyllic environment. Now, he had been molested over a period of time by one of his father's employees when he was in the second grade, but he never looked upon that time as "abuse." Huh? I can understand a child not viewing it as abuse at the time (in some circumstances, where it was consensual, etc.), but a grown man can't look back on something like that and realize it was clearly abuse??? No wonder the church is in the state it's in. It's being run by idiots.New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-74518446211639187662009-01-28T13:03:00.000-06:002009-01-28T13:03:00.000-06:00Ted Haggard talks on Oprah TODAY, Jan. 28. It's at...Ted Haggard talks on Oprah TODAY, Jan. 28. It's at 4:00 Central time.<BR/><A HREF="http://www.oprah.com/locallistings" REL="nofollow">Find your local listing here.</A><BR/><BR/>Read about <A HREF="http://www.oprah.com/slideshow/oprahshow/20090115_tows_haggard/1" REL="nofollow">what Ted Haggard said.</A><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.oprah.com/community/thread/99657" REL="nofollow">Comment on Haggard</A> at Oprah.com.Christa Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04560409585720043015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-79205416404834145372009-01-28T00:47:00.000-06:002009-01-28T00:47:00.000-06:00The kid doesn't even know to call what Ted H did t...The kid doesn't even know to call what Ted H did to him abuse! No one is pointing that out.<BR/><BR/>Did the vulnerable INTERN who "confessed" his sinful thoughts to his pastor expect the man to drool and masturbate in front of him????<BR/>NO! <BR/>Ted circled that kid like a wolf circles his prey before attacking!<BR/>How dare them call this a stinking relationship and put any of this on an intern 30 years younger than a minister of a mega church who is MARRIED with children.<BR/><BR/>If Ted were a therapist....the courts would throw the book at him!!!!!!<BR/>Oh wait...abusers and Christians throw The book at confused wounded people....and beat the crap out of them with it!<BR/><BR/>The kid wanted to be a good Christian and his pastor showed him how a Christian behaves. His pastor gave no thought to his "eternal life".<BR/>Ted saw this kid as a piece of meat. <BR/>I sure hope Oprah acknowledges that he is a PREDATOR when Ted freako is on her show....is that tomorrow????gmommyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11713588262748876624noreply@blogger.com