tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post5136836617200930007..comments2024-03-17T16:21:14.907-05:00Comments on Stop Baptist Predators: Here's a Baptist databaseChrista Brownhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04560409585720043015noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-31826520625043642052009-03-08T15:29:00.000-05:002009-03-08T15:29:00.000-05:00I am wit you OC. We have an important job to do th...I am wit you OC. We have an important job to do that is bigger than any one of us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-47667023317309801862009-03-06T23:19:00.000-06:002009-03-06T23:19:00.000-06:00Well, sometimes "religious" people tend to disqual...Well, sometimes "religious" people tend to disqualify anyone who uses "unorthodox" procedures to foment change. <BR/><BR/>But I get reminded often... Jesus didn't play by the rules. He was more than just a bit of a renegade, as far as the established religion was concerned... <BR/><BR/>Just sayin' that what we may deem as "proper" isn't worth a hill of sappy sentiments and self-protecting arguments in the face of someone who will stand up and confront the wrong. And if Montoya isn't your kumbayah buddy, at least give him credit that he had more cajones than you or I did.<BR/>oc.ochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00910693449008506409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-61887648321930255002009-03-05T07:52:00.000-06:002009-03-05T07:52:00.000-06:00Please don't put David Montoya in a category with ...Please don't put David Montoya in a category with yourself. You are far above that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-53583317639934876682009-03-04T15:05:00.000-06:002009-03-04T15:05:00.000-06:00Thanks Christa. That takes character and convictio...Thanks Christa. That takes character and conviction.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-54558753982986262072009-03-04T14:27:00.000-06:002009-03-04T14:27:00.000-06:00What I know is that pastor David Montoya (Spiritua...What I know is that pastor David Montoya (Spiritual Samurai) is the person whose relentless efforts brought to light the $1.3 million Valleygate scandal at the Baptist General Convention of Texas. Personally, I think every Baptist in the state of Texas ought to be grateful to him. But of course, as is often the case with whistleblowers, he has been widely castigated instead. Since I myself have been called pretty much every name in the book, both by Anonymous people and by self-described Baptist people, I'm not going to place much credence in what an Anonymous commenter says about David Montoya.<BR/><BR/>Nevertheless, Anon is certainly correct in saying that "the BGCT, SBTC, and the SBC could instigate a data base on sex offenders in a day's time if they wanted to."Christa Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04560409585720043015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-82676456965119797952009-03-04T09:28:00.000-06:002009-03-04T09:28:00.000-06:00The BGCT, SBTC, and the SBC could instigate a data...The BGCT, SBTC, and the SBC could instigate a data base on sex offenders in a day's time if they wanted to. The problem is that they just don't want to and aren't going to be pressured into doing it. <BR/><BR/>Please spare us anything from David Montoya and the Spiritual Samurai. He is a power hungry wannabe and is disliked and not respected by anyone. You lower your standards when you use him as a reference.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-91534430432295411082009-03-04T03:34:00.000-06:002009-03-04T03:34:00.000-06:00Southern Baptists haven't cornered the market on p...Southern Baptists haven't cornered the market on pervert pastors - that's for sure. But what they've just about cornered the market on is being the major denomination that does the least to combat the problem. No clergy review board system. No effective clergy oversight mechanism. No reporting system. No systematic record-keeping. No policy of providing counseling for the wounded (which might encourage more to report abuse). No system for removing credibly-accused clergy from ministry... and not even so much as a system for warning/informing people in the pews. When it comes to clergy sex abuse, you name it, and Southern Baptists pretty much don't do it. I'd say they've cornered the market on the most do-nothingness.Christa Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04560409585720043015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-51153015381926294132009-03-04T00:40:00.000-06:002009-03-04T00:40:00.000-06:00This just goes to show the Southern Baptists haven...<A HREF="http://www.reformation.com:80/CSA/allabuse.html" REL="nofollow">This</A> just goes to show the Southern Baptists haven't cornered the market on pervert "pastors."New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-20558807481098264722009-03-02T20:21:00.000-06:002009-03-02T20:21:00.000-06:00I do not think this is an issue that merits the "l...I do not think this is an issue that merits the "liberal, moderate, coservative" debate. Just like abuse is about power so is the refusal of the SBC to act more effectively. These men are so focused on being powerful or, in their eyes, the next great Bible-man that this issuse is just something in their way and regardless of which stand they take it will neither hurt nor help their play for power and fame. <BR/>To me this issue is about righteousness, fairness, and Biblical compassion. None of these three things leads to worldly success and power.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-7534730022993880532009-03-02T17:08:00.000-06:002009-03-02T17:08:00.000-06:00No need to point out the obvious, gmommy... it's o...No need to point out the obvious, gmommy... it's obvious. Once upon a time, I would have virtually sold my soul for the sake of believing that "moderate" Baptists would behave differently from "conservative" Baptists when it comes to clergy sex abuse. But too many so-called "moderate" leaders at the so-called "moderate" Baptist General Convention of Texas taught me otherwise... in ways that hurt enormously... more than I can say... more than I want to remember... and yet I do. Wouldn't we all like to put this in a box and think that it's about something as small as Paige Patterson? Or even as small as the "conservative/fundamentalist" SBC boys? But what I know for sure is that such an "in-the-box" view of the problem wouldn't be true. <BR/><BR/>I don't purport to know what's in the hearts of individuals. But this much I DO know: Institutionally, when it comes to clergy sex abuse, the so-called moderates aren't doing any better than the so-called conservative fundamentalists. Of course, if you scratch beneath the surface of some of those so-called "moderates", what you'll find is a fundamentalist... and vice-versa. I just don't think the labels really mean much.Christa Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04560409585720043015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-26830890114149890342009-03-02T15:49:00.000-06:002009-03-02T15:49:00.000-06:00Christa, I know as far as baptist ministers go...W...Christa,<BR/> I know as far as baptist ministers go...Wade Burleson appears to be different from the Page Patterson/ Baptist Identity/Fundy/women must submit to the almighty male authority group. I am still struggling with this comment from him and in general, the whole thread. <BR/>"As to whether or not I should say anything about First Baptist Church, Jacksonville, that is a good question. <BR/>I am simply fulfilling my promise to never allow a Southern Baptist to be mistreated by an overt abuse of authority without coming to the defense of the powerless."<BR/><BR/>For the sake of emotion and health...I'm not going to point out the obvious...but it makes my stomach hurt.gmommyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11713588262748876624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-36020235190096196252009-03-01T11:12:00.000-06:002009-03-01T11:12:00.000-06:00"...straining at gnats and swallowing at camels." ..."...straining at gnats and swallowing at camels." Yes... and what I wish I had said is "What about good stewardship of the next generation?" Good stewardship ought to involve something more than money.Christa Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04560409585720043015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-83333421928440606232009-03-01T10:02:00.000-06:002009-03-01T10:02:00.000-06:00" was pleading with him: “Even if you can’t do any..." was pleading with him: “Even if you can’t do anything to rout out the clergy-predators, can’t you at least minister to the wounded?”<BR/><BR/>He answered that they had a responsibility to make the best possible use of God’s money. “Good stewardship,” he said."<BR/><BR/>This is a man straining at gnats and swalling camels. Just like the Pharisees.Lydiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17367390474045060624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-1312277299309809992009-02-28T08:01:00.000-06:002009-02-28T08:01:00.000-06:00Most of the links below are from Fbc Jax Watchdog....Most of the links below are from Fbc Jax Watchdog.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com/2008/09/pie-charts-and-giving-units.html" REL="nofollow">Pie Charts and "Giving Units"</A><BR/><BR/>Fbc Jax leadership has extracted their pound of flesh:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com/2009/02/lie-and-breach-of-trust-by-fbc-jax.html" REL="nofollow">A Lie and a Breach of Trust by the FBC Jax Leadership</A><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com/2009/02/anti-criticism-doctrine-of-fbc.html" REL="nofollow">"The Anti-Criticism Doctrine" of FBC Jacksonville</A><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com/2009/02/fbc-jax-votes-on-blogger-resolution.html" REL="nofollow">FBC Jax Votes on Blogger Resolution Brought By Trustees</A><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://newbbcopenforum.blogspot.com/2009/02/this-is-biblical-pattern-for-church.html" REL="nofollow">New BBC Open Forum: This is the "Biblical Pattern" for Church Discipline?</A><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.eff.org/issues/bloggers" REL="nofollow">EFF: Bloggers' Rights</A>Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-28379174178071650162009-02-27T21:01:00.000-06:002009-02-27T21:01:00.000-06:00"Giving units." Such an apt phrase. It's all about..."Giving units." Such an apt phrase. It's all about money. Sometimes, despite everything, I still struggle with seeing that reality... because once upon a time, I really truly believed that it was all about something else. Duhhhh.Christa Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04560409585720043015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-52655358939967836872009-02-27T20:38:00.000-06:002009-02-27T20:38:00.000-06:00And by the way… is this what the Baptist arm of th...<I>And by the way… is this what the Baptist arm of the body of Christ is called now? "Customers"?</I><BR/><BR/>"Customers"... or "giving units." That's another term that's in vogue now.New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-53738883313188827592009-02-27T19:16:00.000-06:002009-02-27T19:16:00.000-06:00Over-budget Customer Relationship Management softw...Over-budget Customer Relationship Management software for the gang that couldn't church-plant straight? <BR/>Did they really say that more than half of the cost overrun is that they didn't really estimate the cost of the project in the first place.<BR/>Or am I misunderstanding?<BR/>The Associated Baptist Press reported: <BR/>". . . the original projection included only basic equipment costs, and the board was told to anticipate some additional costs. The project actually exceeded anticipated expenses by about 20 percent, rather than 50 percent . . . "<BR/>Some additional costs, indeed..BaptistPlanethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17900327670598346695noreply@blogger.com