tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post5505471049874124589..comments2024-03-17T16:21:14.907-05:00Comments on Stop Baptist Predators: Worse to have a womanChrista Brownhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04560409585720043015noreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-72755892292359387882009-12-01T09:50:25.548-06:002009-12-01T09:50:25.548-06:00Thanks, Jeri!Thanks, Jeri!Christa Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04560409585720043015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-36897331216025850512009-12-01T04:12:46.764-06:002009-12-01T04:12:46.764-06:00I shared this on FacebookI shared this on FacebookJerihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14234147722462126392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-53698984761863794992009-11-25T19:16:44.995-06:002009-11-25T19:16:44.995-06:00I love your writing style and are how carefully yo...I love your writing style and are how carefully you lay out valid points. <br /><br />You cross examine and expose the lies like a female Perry Mason. <br /><br />As a victim myself that has seen a lot it is amazing to me how some still just don't get it. The reason varies. And some do not want to get it. <br /><br />You just cut right to the point. Your fierce! <br /><br />And I agree, this should be in the newspapers! <br /><br />Oh what the heck......YOU GO GIRL!!!LUCID TEXANnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-19546187152516968192009-11-22T22:43:02.656-06:002009-11-22T22:43:02.656-06:00Christa, after reading all this I couldn't hel...Christa, after reading all this I couldn't help but ponder what Jesus would do if he walked into the churches of today and how the religious leaders would react. I bet a lot of these religious leaders would crucify him all over again because they don't stand for true justice. Anyway, that's my thought.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-72387859870520073242009-11-21T20:24:07.954-06:002009-11-21T20:24:07.954-06:00Suzanne: Thank you for your encouragement. You can...Suzanne: Thank you for your encouragement. You can email me at this address: christa[at]stopbaptistpredators[dot]orgChrista Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04560409585720043015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-8134614250097530262009-11-21T15:19:40.380-06:002009-11-21T15:19:40.380-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-31552970291580277722009-11-21T14:48:01.568-06:002009-11-21T14:48:01.568-06:00If there is one thing I've learned in my 40 ye...If there is one thing I've learned in my 40 years, it is that often-times women have it together much more than many men. <br /><br />Most men are about power which often clouds their thinking and results in the wrong decisions being made.<br /><br />Listen to women more often and I would bet that the world would be a better place..<br /><br />John DoeJohn Doenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-26851301630346259452009-11-21T12:48:00.041-06:002009-11-21T12:48:00.041-06:00Christa~
I am a single woman in my early forties,...Christa~<br /><br />I am a single woman in my early forties, someone who loves Jesus Christ and I am a great admirer of your work. My heart grieves for what you went through and for countless others that you speak out for. It makes me physically ill.<br /><br />I enjoy reading your blog. You articulate the truth brilliantly. Do you have ANY IDEA the courage you give countless others to stand up through what you do? I would love to send you a personal email of thanks, but I have not been able to find an email address for you. I'm not comfortable with from public forums, but just want you to know my deep appreciation. The paradoxes that you uncover of the SBC are crystal clear. One of my favorites was the blog you did on the parallels of the Hollywood pedophile director and the SBC.<br /><br />I believe your work is a mission outreach to the Church ordained by God and I am eternally grateful.<br /><br />Blessings and gratitude.<br /><br />SuzanneAn Admirer of Christa's work.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-31695528864391963482009-11-20T23:54:55.800-06:002009-11-20T23:54:55.800-06:00Christa, thanks for the courageous, on-target word...Christa, thanks for the courageous, on-target words in your last post. It occurs to me that the same interpretative methodology used by to teach deference to oppressive government in the 18th century American colonies and prop-up slavery in the mid 19th century, is identical to that used to deny women full participation in the Holy Spirit's call today. When men of ecclesiastical influence use that methodology to "prove" God created women inferior to men and children to be arrows in some self-righteous quiver, women and children should be cautious..., very cautious at church. They will be neither protected from clergy predators nor defended by those who pretend to be shepherds. In the warped minds of these leaders, God does not command it.Jimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-28019971770078590282009-11-20T21:21:55.407-06:002009-11-20T21:21:55.407-06:00"...but it sickens me more that there are fol...<i>"...but it sickens me more that there are folks who let it go unpunished."</i><br /><br />And those "folks" include the Southern Baptist Convention officials in Nashville, the Georgia Baptist Convention, the Florida Baptist Convention, the Baptist General Convention of Texas, the Oklahoma Baptist Convention, the Illinois Baptist State Association, etc. etc. etc. Those "folks" include the highest-level officials at ALL of the statewide Baptist conventions and also at the national convention. And those "folks" not only "let it go unpunished," but they also leave the reported clergy child molesters in positions of trust in the pulpit, without any warning to people in the pews and without even so much as conscientiously looking into abuse reports. They leave the weapon of trust in their hands. Basically... they do nothing.<br /><br />It's not Christian. It's not compassionate. It's not decent. It's not humane.<br /><br />But it's Baptistland.Christa Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04560409585720043015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-61511624526986168542009-11-20T20:26:04.818-06:002009-11-20T20:26:04.818-06:00"Now, I can respect this. You know I don'..."Now, I can respect this. You know I don't agree with you but what you're saying is a FAR cry from "The words of Paul are not as inspired or authoritative as the words of Christ". We disagree on interpretation, not inspiration and inerrancy. And since, thanks to you, I have had to come to an acknowledgement that egal does NOT equal theological liberal, I can say "I agree to disagree with you". But you're still a hate-monger!!! (Inside joke--she knows I'm not calling her a hate monger)"<br /><br /><br />Believe it or not guys, Joe and I are buddies. And, yes, Paul's Words are Inspired! <br /><br />And thank you Joe, for understanding that a bigger problem is serious sin in the camp with all this sexual perversion in our churches being ignored and even coddled by some of our very own SBC celebrities.<br /><br />Your fellow hatemonger egal, LydiaLydiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17367390474045060624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-22196224871695514762009-11-20T20:23:32.231-06:002009-11-20T20:23:32.231-06:00Well then Joe, YOU are definitely not a hate-monge...Well then Joe, YOU are definitely not a hate-monger:)<br />I wish more people would face this ugly elephant. We wish we didn't have to! <br />It seems like there hasn't been much progress since I was a kid and that is really sad. It was a HUGE blow when I realized I had raised my children in a place where they were not valued or safe.It was a HUGE blow when I realized Christian men would lie and deflect to cover for the wrong they should have been broken hearted and sickened about.<br />I understand how hard it is to process and grasp this evil. But how many lives will be altered FOREVER before we have the courage to be uncomfortable and hate this sin enough to stop it??gmommyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11713588262748876624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-4877127385518618852009-11-20T19:38:05.550-06:002009-11-20T19:38:05.550-06:00gmommy
I just happened to have read about Christa...gmommy<br /><br />I just happened to have read about Christa's story and have read a few of the blog posts. I think raising awareness of this sort of thing is important. It just sickens me that someone would do that to another person but it sickens me more that there are folks who let it go unpunished.Joe Blackmonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05609279285784683781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-16924675052422692742009-11-20T17:04:49.280-06:002009-11-20T17:04:49.280-06:00Thank you Joe!:)
I'm curious...this isn't ...Thank you Joe!:)<br />I'm curious...this isn't one of your "regular blogs". Have you always been concerned about the issues of clergy sexual abuse? Or is this something you've become more aware of recently and want to know more about? Just want to see if Lydia is really a hate monger?? :) (teasing!!!!)gmommyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11713588262748876624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-81618132679693891362009-11-20T15:35:07.711-06:002009-11-20T15:35:07.711-06:00And whatever anyone may think about women pastors,...<i>And whatever anyone may think about women pastors, "it is a 'gnat' when compared to the lives of those who are violated by Baptist clergy everyday." </i> <br /><br />I totally agree.Joe Blackmonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05609279285784683781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-70477427857903576522009-11-20T15:25:03.440-06:002009-11-20T15:25:03.440-06:00The problem is that Paul did not say what you thin...<i>The problem is that Paul did not say what you think he said.</i> <br /><br />Now, I can respect this. You know I don't agree with you but what you're saying is a FAR cry from "The words of Paul are not as inspired or authoritative as the words of Christ". We disagree on interpretation, not inspiration and inerrancy. And since, thanks to you, I have had to come to an acknowledgement that egal does NOT equal theological liberal, I can say "I agree to disagree with you". But you're still a hate-monger!!! (Inside joke--she knows I'm not calling her a hate monger)Joe Blackmonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05609279285784683781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-70406346314955834542009-11-20T15:19:00.040-06:002009-11-20T15:19:00.040-06:00So, the belief is if you stay in your 'role...<i>So, the belief is if you stay in your 'role' (which is pretending to be something) then you can be saved. </i> <br /><br />No, I don't believe that at all, Lydia. For instance, I believe JPR is wrong in her belief that she can be a pastor. However, I'm not saying she or any woman is not saved for not staying in any role. I do disagree with her, but salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ for men and women, plus nothing/minus nothing. I don't think there is such a thing such as pink or blue Christianity.Joe Blackmonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05609279285784683781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-74206431145619210932009-11-20T14:43:17.663-06:002009-11-20T14:43:17.663-06:00gmommy,
I knew you would understand my point. This...gmommy,<br />I knew you would understand my point. This is a refreshing blog to be a part of. I love everyone who signs on to make a difference. Keep on just a thinking.johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-67755128314086928342009-11-20T12:20:02.125-06:002009-11-20T12:20:02.125-06:00Hey John,
That's KIND OF a joke with me about...Hey John,<br /> That's KIND OF a joke with me about the South. But the handful of Northern Christians I know...particularly a Presbyterian minister...aren't a part of the "God made Eve from Adam so women aren't made in the image of God" kind of mentality.It's refreshing!<br /> <br />I'm sure you have a bigger picture of how the Christian society operates. I used to think it was more the old school, uneducated , insecure men who thought women should serve their every desire....but I know now it's bigger than that. I understand why so many people get discouraged and turned off by church people. <br />I wish the church could be the refuge and sanctuary it should be. Glad you are out there!!!gmommyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11713588262748876624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-64906737351028437262009-11-20T08:57:36.736-06:002009-11-20T08:57:36.736-06:00gmommy,
"were all those guys from the south?...gmommy,<br /><br />"were all those guys from the south?"<br /><br />Now now. I had more difficulty pastoring in the north when it came to women abuse, putdowns, and desiring to keep themtheir place tha I did in the south. I agree with what you said but must challenge your regional bias.johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-50642561462153053882009-11-19T19:49:07.064-06:002009-11-19T19:49:07.064-06:00I'm kinda freaked out by the link you gave, Ch...I'm kinda freaked out by the link you gave, Christa.(De Le Torre). <br />If God really created us to be like all those "men of God" were quoted as thinking then why didn't He just make us all like Stepford wife robots??<br />Why waste all those brains if we were really just to be obedient and mindless?? Something is really wrong with men to feel such disrespect for us.<br />Were all those guys from the South?? :):)gmommyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11713588262748876624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-17436926074949407242009-11-19T18:39:04.767-06:002009-11-19T18:39:04.767-06:00Amen, Sister! You're a Saint. No kidding; yo...Amen, Sister! You're a Saint. No kidding; you are doing God's work and I am confident God will reward your efforts: Baptist pedophile clergy and church leaders will be identified and children will be protected. I doubt that will happen because of SBC leadership, but in spite of it.Jimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-25165964288319461832009-11-19T18:19:11.307-06:002009-11-19T18:19:11.307-06:00As a former GA Baptist, the "Good Old Boys&qu...As a former GA Baptist, the "Good Old Boys" would answer the autonomy question by saying, "The church is autonomous and so is the GA Baptist Convention."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-44171688511013345012009-11-19T18:04:09.784-06:002009-11-19T18:04:09.784-06:00Jim: No apology needed. I get sidetracked myself s...Jim: No apology needed. I get sidetracked myself sometimes. <br /><br />But one thing for sure . . . when someone starts telling me about the meaning of scripture and its application, I tend to trust a person who carries a measure of doubt more than I trust a person who claims 100% certainty. As gmommy points out, many of us on this blog have been deeply wounded by those who twisted God's word to suit their own agenda or by a twisted person claiming to be God's man. We've already seen how so-called men of God can be capable of using God's word as a weapon and can do so with a voice of certainty, and we've paid a heavy price for that knowledge.<br /><br />And whatever anyone may think about women pastors, "it is a 'gnat' when compared to the lives of those who are violated by Baptist clergy everyday." Yet, with this huge camel, Baptist leaders claim they are powerless. And their own actions show the absolute hypocrisy of their claimed powerlessness.Christa Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04560409585720043015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3874123597623259718.post-53270625395977940172009-11-19T17:20:20.414-06:002009-11-19T17:20:20.414-06:00Christa, I feel I must apologize to you for initia...Christa, I feel I must apologize to you for initiating an off-trget discussion with Joe. Gmommy, I don't feel like I'm being picked on at all; I've enjoyed the discussion...way too much. In the beginning I actually thought he and I might have a rational, give-and-take conversation that would add something to the topic Christa presented. Sadly, that seems never to be possible with individuals who use hermeneutical gymnastics to confirm their prejudices, or name calling to make themselves feel bigger or better. I will not continue that exchange here...it takes away from the focus of the blog and that is too important to be sidetracked. The issue of women in ministry is a vitally important topic for discussion...just not here. Perhaps Joe and I can continue our conversation in another, more appropriate forum. Anyone got a suggestion? You know, I can't figure out why he insists on calling me Jim-Bob; I almost called him Joe-Blo, but that didn't seem right.Jimnoreply@blogger.com